re: More ACA cost problems

Rex, I don't know much about the healthcare systems in Canada,France, or Australia but I do know quite a bit about the one in he UK as I lived there for a few years and visit regularly as my wife is British. The National Health System in the UK is reviled by MOST of the people who I know who live there. From what I have witnessed myself firsthand is a decline in both the quality or care and access to health care. My inlaws have come to the US on their own dime to have minor procedures done because they just do not trust their local doctors to provide them the best care avalable anymore. The best and brightest no longer consider medicine a field they would chose to enter. The percentage of doctors coming from outside the country has skyrocketed.The local doctors will almost snatch me in the door when they hear private insurance, but a local will wait quite some time perhaps weeks or months for the same care. I realize that this does not fit your narative but it is the truth and I would not hold the NHS up as somthing we should aspire to have here in the US, we are better off now. If you ask most any honest Brit and he would trade health care systems with us is a heartbeat.

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The cost of the marketplace interface has very little to do with the long term costs and benefits of the ACA... and are easily fixable, anyway.

Healthcare.gov happens to be working quite well at the moment

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You are such a hypocrite. Surely you see ACA was just a big ole give away to insurance companies. It did nothing to get to single payer. Those insurance companies are filling the pockets of democrat PACs with record contributions.

Ryan proposed vouchers for medicare. This would have been a HUGE improvement for all of us because it would have taken the government out of the direct purchase of health services. Basically it would have taken the corruption out of health.

The biggest single reason health care costs so much is because the biggest customer--the government-- is a very poor shopper. Every day providers are lobbying the government for reimbursement for their services under medicare. This sets an ever rising floor in the cost of care. No one that takes medicare can charge LESS for their services to other customers than they charge medicare. So when medicare approves a $10 increase in the reimbursement of a drug then all of us pay $10 more.

It sucks.

We need to change the pricing system of health care to a subscription based pricing model. By vouchering government subsidies to the poor and aged we would do this. It would make shopping much easier and would, in effect, be what you would call a single payer system. (there is no real single payer system as the name implies except in places like Cuba and North Korea)

Democrats are doing nothing with ACA but contributing more money to the corruption.

Any critically thinking liberal recognizes that.

Of course there are not many critically thinking liberals.

As bad as the "sticker shock" over "affordable" health care has already been, I don't think people have even begun to see the real cost. I really believe that the Obama administration got together with the insurance executives and got them to artificially deflate the premium and out-of-pocket cost the first year to at least make it seem palatable. They did so by making absurd and unrealistic assumption in pricing the plans. Instead of assuming that the "preexisting" population (that which will cost these insurance companies BILLIONS) would be A LOT lower than anyone ever thought (and a HELL OF A LOT LOWER than what actually occurred), and over estimate the number of young healthy people.

And, I would bet that the Obama administration assured them that they would be able to "make it up" in next year's premiums.

All of this will occur, and people will see what the real cost of this steaming pile of SH!T is really going to cost right after the November elections.

Even more so than "you can keep your doctor," and "you can keep your health plan," the BIG lie in all of this will be the PROMISE that the average premium would be reduced by $2,500/year. And, of course, after making this deal with the insurance companies and allowing them to severely jack up the rates next year, you know damn well that Odummy will be out there blaming the greedy insurance companies, feigning ignorance about why the premium cost exploded, and pushing his socialist wealth redistribution (i.e., wealth equality) BULLSH!T even more.

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Thanks for your input. Now ask them if they want their system repealed and replaced with the USA's private insurance system that left 12 - 15% of our population uninsured.

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Truth hurts, so you shift focus...

Healthcare.gov is a website. It is not Healthcare itself. Private enterprise, not the government, had to step in and spend tens of millions of tax dollars to repair and fix the effort made by the government, which by any account, was a collasal cluster-frick of epic proportions admitted to even by your beloved and revered socialist leader. Even now, it is still so insecure that one would be foolish to supply a social security number in making application.

Your example is a huge fail, but a GREAT example of government ineptitude and waste.

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a competitive marketplace offers the greatest services in any industry.

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And leaves some unfortunate people out.

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so you tear the whole system apart for 12-15 %

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Absolutely. I don't believe in letting people die because they can't afford health care. I believe in helping.

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And leaves some unfortunate people out.

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So change everything versus fix it for a small percentage of the population, no wonder you didn't have insurance until the cost was spread to others.

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Absolutely. I don't believe in letting people die because they can't afford health care. I believe in helping.

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and no one will die under single payer do to cost?

or due to the poor service of healthcare?