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re: Missouri State AG Schmitt requests McClosky charges be dropped.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:07 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:07 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
During an interview Monday on local NBC affiliate KSDK, McCloskey claimed that the protesters had broken the gate in front of Portland Place, the gated community where he resides, which prompted him and his wife to retrieve their guns while ordering the demonstrators to leave.
"It was like the storming of the Bastille," Mark said. "The gate came down, and a large crowd — a very angry, shouting, aggressive people poured through."
You are combining an editorialization with a quote.
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Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:08 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:I have said REPEATEDLY that I don't think they should have been charged. Four times, I think.
What a potential juror might (or might not) think isn't probable cause for charges. Good grief.
I am discussing the fact that the charges HAVE been filed and the effect that McCloskey's demonstrable lies will likely have on those ongoing criminal proceedings.
To quote another poster, "Good Grief."
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:08 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
I am saying that his DEFENSE to criminal charges is that he was in a reasonable fear. His stated BASIS for that defense is that the protesters were "Storming the Bastille" and destroying the pedestrian gate. The FACTS are that he had armed himself BEFORE the protesters entered thru an open and undamaged gate. The CONCLUSION is that his stated basis was a FABRICATION
Again.
You don’t logic well. You’re making leaps in conclusions that don’t exist.
Because you’re not a serious person.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:09 pm to Turbeauxdog
quote:
During an interview Monday on local NBC affiliate KSDK, McCloskey claimed that the protesters had broken the gate in front of Portland Place, the gated community where he resides, which prompted him and his wife to retrieve their guns while ordering the demonstrators to leave
I can't help but notice that none of the above has quotation marks around it
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:10 pm to Turbeauxdog
Hank literally pulled this garbage yesterday and is back to get his shite pushed in again today?
Slow day on the farm I guess...
Slow day on the farm I guess...
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:11 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
His stated BASIS for that defense is that the protesters were "Storming the Bastille" and destroying the pedestrian gate
Did he?
Because the article being quoted in this thread doesn't say that. It says part of that. The part about what prompted things isn't in quotes and since the writer took the time to put quotes around some of the statement I'm going to assume that the writer made correct use of quotation marks
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:13 pm to AggieHank86
An AR-15 is NOT an automatic rifle you stupid liberal frick! Get your facts right before you try to change the narrative to fit your views. Oh wait, changing the narrative regardless of facts is what the democrats do best!
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:15 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:16 pm to the808bass
quote:Even McCloskey does not claim this. The most he says is that "one (protester) standing right in front of me pulled out two pistol magazines, clicked them together and said, ‘you’re next.’" Nothing about seeing an actual handgun.
Several protesters were armed, as well.
Where have you seen anything about armed protesters? I am genuinely interested.
Now, a few dimwits have been claiming that the videocam and microphone in the following photo are a gun.
Are you maybe referencing something said by one of those dimwits? I know that YOU would never confuse AV equipment for a weapon.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:20 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:For Finagle's sake, I have acknowledged REPEATEDLY that there was likely a trespass, if the gate was NOT opened for them (making them "invitees").
Don't take LiberalHanks bait. He's desparately trying to deflect. It makes no difference how the gate was opened. It was posted private property. There could have been no fence at all, and it would still be trespassing.
A mere trespass does NOT invoke the Castle Doctrine. It is invoked by "reasonable fear." A homeowner cannot use deadly force against just any trespass. ONLY if the trespass puts them in "reasonable fear."
I am analyzing the credibility of McCloskey's claim that he was in "reasonable fear" and the effect that his lies ABOUT the gate might have upon the credibility of his overall story.
Seriously, stop with the red herrings.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:22 pm to Turbeauxdog
quote:No, the article contains both direct quotes and paraphrasing. Yes, part of the link is a paraphrase. I would love to see the exact quote. Unfortunately, I was not able to find it.
You are combining an editorialization with a quote
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:24 pm to AggieHank86
quote:well. The paraphrasing part is the part you keep hanging your hat on and it isn't in quotes. Hence it may well be that the writer assumed facts not in evidence.
No, the article contains both direct quotes and paraphrasing
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:24 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
A mere trespass does NOT invoke the Castle Doctrine. It is invoked by "reasonable fear." A homeowner cannot use deadly force against just any trespass. ONLY if the trespass puts them in "reasonable fear."
He did not use deadly force.
Also, an angry mob of hundreds, trespassing on your property, shouting avowed threats promising violence, that is the very definition of reasonable fear.
But get back to your stupid "muh mccloskey tore his own gate down" theory.
fricking clown.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:24 pm to Turbeauxdog
quote:Leaps? There isn't a millimeter gap, much less a "leap."
You’re making leaps in conclusions that don’t exist.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:26 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
A mere trespass does NOT invoke the Castle Doctrine. It is invoked by "reasonable fear." A homeowner cannot use deadly force against just any trespass. ONLY if the trespass puts them in "reasonable fear
You just mixed questions. I'm no lawyer but I know when somebody is conflating. I can't use deadly force unless I have a reasonable fear of my life. So if he had started shooting them you would have a point
But I can definitely pull out my gun and have it ready when they protential for a bad situation arises.
You know this.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:26 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Perhaps. At this point, it is what we have.
The paraphrasing part is the part you keep hanging your hat on and it isn't in quotes. Hence it may well be that the writer assumed facts not in evidence.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:27 pm to DeusVultMachina
quote:And if I am defending him, I want you on my jury.
an angry mob of hundreds, trespassing on your property, shouting avowed threats promising violence, that is the very definition of reasonable fear.
I suspect that an urban St. Louis jury pool will not include a lot of folks who share your view of the world.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:28 pm to AggieHank86
quote:No one believes you, because, you keep justifying the charges.
I have said REPEATEDLY that I don't think they should have been charged. Four times, I think.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:28 pm to AggieHank86
quote:only needs 1
I suspect that an urban St. Louis jury pool will not include a lot of folks who share your view of the world
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:31 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Even if he said it... it's a colloquialism. He wouldn't have been describing the LITERAL storming of the Bastille, which would have happend in Paris, not St. Louis surburb. Only someone pretending to be obtuse would think so... oh, wait..
Because the article being quoted in this thread doesn't say that. It says part of that. The part about what prompted things isn't in quotes and since the writer took the time to put quotes around some of the statement I'm going to assume that the writer made correct use of quotation marks
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