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re: Mississippi wins right to enforce religious exemptions law
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:46 am to bfniii
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:46 am to bfniii
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typically silly response. no substantiation or rebuttal at all. just blithe hand waving. "i can't deal with your point so i'll just declare it wrong by fiat." it's the richard dawkins mental gymnastics approach
It was equal to what you offered with the claim.
You want to get into it? Let's do it.
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:48 am to MastrShake
quote:shut up hippy. if you dont understand that this bill is good you dont deserve freedom.
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...the Mississippi bill seeks to protect by law the belief that marriage is the union of one man and one woman...
whose belief is this?
Christians?
because marriage predates Christianity by several thousand years. you don't own it, you're not in charge of it, its not up to you to decide who qualifies.
also, we don't make laws in this country based on religious beliefs, and if anyone can give an explanation for why "marriage is the union of one man and one woman" that doesn't come down to "because the bible says so", then Id be fascinated to hear it.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:49 am to buckeye_vol
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Common descent is just a part of the broader theory of evolution
evolution, simplicatur, does not entail ucd. certain people WANT it to.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:52 am to MastrShake
quote:you're still using the word discriminate incorrectly
this allows any business to freely discriminate
abstention/exemption is NOT discrimination, especially when the service can be acquired elsewhere. people are not being denied a service. they are being denied a service at a particular kind of establishment when others are readily available. completely, totally different.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:56 am to Sapere
quote:the people. not the teacher. not the teachings. the individuals who acted on their own conscience - against the teachings of the teacher.
Say you decide to share your infinite wisdom with the world. You teach love and compassion. A group decides to follow you and performs multiple heinous acts that go against your teaching. Who is responsible you or the group?
the tactic is take a crime committed by a christian and "see! christianity is horrible. eliminate it." totally flawed reasoning as i pointed out to shake. the problem is trying to make a blanket assertion when each case should be taken on it's own merits.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 11:58 am to Sapere
quote:are you familiar with the nuremburg trials?
Is it murder when a soldier kills another soldier
quote:did the govt do so lawfully? as a result of the will and legislation of the people?
when any government performs the death penalty on a heinous criminal?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:00 pm to MastrShake
quote:do you think that's what god wants? why or why not?
Eric Rudolph was killing people with bombs because he thought thats what god wanted. even now the Army of God publishes the things he writes condoning violence and militant action against gay people and abortion clinics.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:08 pm to MastrShake
quote:if that's what you think christianity is, then you're completely ignorant and your performance in this thread seems to buttress that. criticizing something not understood is usually the result of some emotional roadblock.
actually its exactly what religion is
quote:ah yes, the old "god of the gaps" argument. something that has been rebutted about a million times over the course of 200 years.
people had no idea what was going on in the natural world around them, so they made up gods to explain it.
quote:i'm not surprised you don't understand this so i'll try again.
equating religion with stalin, mao, and pol pot is not the winning strategy you think it is.
when christians do evil things, it is in CONTRADICTION to christian beliefs. hence, the institutional/individual distinction. when stalin, et al, tried to wipe out religion, they did so IN ACCORDANCE with their beliefs. does that help you?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:13 pm to bfniii
I just want the cake maker to be able to decide who he serves and doesn't serve.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:25 pm to FooManChoo
quote:i was actually being sarcastic by quoting that, because, as previously implied, i can say with absolute certainty that the whole thing is simply a made up story.
Obviously you have no clue what that verse means.
but this is still interesting to me, because you're obviously a smart person. let me clear about that, despite any sarcasm from me before, from what i can tell you seem to be smart, and probably smarter than most. the vast majority of this board is dumb as a fricking rock but youre clearly not. and on top of that youve seemingly spent a lot of time devoted to learning about this stuff.
so a smart guy has studied something for a long time.
thats where i am on this.
so how do you not see it? how do you not see that none of this makes any sense? none of it adds up? that the story in the gospels is essentially identical to dozens of stories that came before it, that jesus is nothing but a mash-up of other gods.
the census sending them to Bethlehem for his birth never happened, theres no record of it (and there would be), theres no reason for it to happen (leaving where you live to go back where youre from for a census defeats the entire purpose of a census), its only there to fulfill an old testament prophecy about the messiah.
it clearly did not happen.
this is just one of dozens of examples.
how do you just ignore that? and why?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:42 pm to bfniii
quote:
(religion) is stone age superstition
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silly unprovable assertion
quote:
actually its exactly what religion is
quote:lets try this again
if that's what you think christianity is, then you're completely ignorant and your performance in this thread seems to buttress that. criticizing something not understood is usually the result of some emotional roadblock.
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me = "actually its exactly what religion is"
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you = "if that's what you think christianity is..."
do you see it yet? here it is again.
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me = "actually its exactly what religion is"
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you = "if that's what you think christianity is..."
once more
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me = "actually its exactly what RELIGION is"
quote:
you = "if that's what you think CHRISTIANITY is..."
if you still dont get it, im not sure what to tell you.
quote:this is not true in any way.
ah yes, the old "god of the gaps" argument. something that has been rebutted about a million times over the course of 200 years.
but feel free to explain it. explain this and explain why religion is not stone age superstition. i'd be fascinated to see the ramblings of an idiot.
quote:i could give a frick what your beliefs are. i dont care about what you were told to do, i care about what you do. when evil happens this often, on such a large scale, from the top down, for 2 thousand years, its not the exception anymore. there's something fundamentally fricked up about you people.
when christians do evil things, it is in CONTRADICTION to christian beliefs
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:57 pm to Volvagia
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It ONLY gives option of refusal for gay marriage.
I find it interesting, from a legal standpoint, how the line can be drawn there. If it is okay to refuse to sell jewelry to a gay couple for their wedding, why can't you just refuse service to them at all times?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:04 pm to anc
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Honestly, who cares if a small town pharmacy cashier decides that she won't sell condoms to a 15 year old besides the 15 year old?
You think premarital sex only occurs between 15 year olds?
Where the f*** are you from?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:10 pm to MastrShake
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the stories in the gospel however, are complete fanfiction
prove it. heck, even ehrman agrees that they are amazingly reliable. the number of textual scholars who think the gospels are complete fiction is a tiny, tiny group and it is steadily diminishing. there's a reason for that. check out habermas' minimal facts case. quote:aside from that being an argument from silence, archaeology has confirmed what the bible already told us about people such as nebuchnezzar, pilate, quirinius, etc. but that's not good enough for you is it? how many more confirmations do you need?
there was never any census that caused mary and joseph to go the Bethlehem
also, "[W]hen we consider how purely accidental is the evidence for the second census (ad 6-7), the want of evidence for the first (mentioned in luke) seems to constitute no argument against the trustworthiness of Luke’s statement.” -ramsay
quote:mary jo sharp has rebutted pretty much all of these. regarding "borrowing" also check out
all the miracles are copied from other widely known stories about "gods"
bock
lutzer
quote:prove it
none of this this ever happened
quote:do you know what the argument from silence means? absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence.
theres not a single historical record of any kind that even hints at a single word of it
honestly, these are dilettante problems that arose from first quest scholarship/critical scholarship 100-150 years ago. academia has moved on from these facile issues but, people still catch wind of them on the internet because someone dusted off a book from grandpa's attic and thus they get perpetuated.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:11 pm to bfniii
Well this thread totally derailed.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:12 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:when you decide to actually make a case, then you might have some credibility. until then, you're just obstinate.
DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:22 pm to MastrShake
quote:i'm sorry you don't understand the distinction between institutional religion and a person's individual beliefs. you are conflating the two under the auspices of a valid criticism. it's not.
if you still dont get it, im not sure what to tell you
moreover, i'm not trying to defend all religions. you are (illegitimately) lumping christianity in with all the others. i'm telling you your criticisms of "religion" don't apply to christianity and i'm offering plenty of reasons why but you keep returning to your safe space. let me know when you're ready to stop the nonsense.
you are saying christianity, qua "religion", is superstition. i'm asking you to prove it. let's see you man up and substantiate this latitudinous claim
quote:define "often." you're trying to quantify something that is qualitative. i'm sorry you still don't get this.
when evil happens this often, on such a large scale, from the top down, for 2 thousand years, its not the exception anymore. there's something fundamentally fricked up about you people.
1. those people are acting in contravention of christian theology.
2. many, many, many more christians have been true servants and ministers in accordance with christian teachings.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:25 pm to bfniii
quote:
when you decide to actually make a case, then you might have some credibility. until then, you're just obstinate.
Everyone sees him for what he is now.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:27 pm to UnAnon
Once again the republicans are taking liberty from Americans. this isn't about protecting religious freedom it's about discrimination. next they will argue that it's okay to discriminate some based on the color of their skin because of religious freedom...oh wait that happened.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:29 pm to hawkeye007
Phil Bryant for president
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