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Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:51 pm to
Posted by 4cubbies
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:51 pm to

All Catholics are called to evangelize daily and constantly primarily through their actions so it would be redundant to describe a Catholic as evangelical.

Posted by 4cubbies
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:52 pm to
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By thew way, evangelical Catholics are a thing - LINK


Looks scammy.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:57 pm to
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I thought evangelical was about a biblical focus, some sort of personal transformation and proselytizing

Evangelical has a much more specific definition/concept

Wiki on it

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The theological roots of evangelicalism can be traced to the Protestant Reformation in 16th-century Europe, particularly Martin Luther’s 1517 Ninety-Five Theses, which emphasized the authority of Scripture and the preaching of the gospel over church tradition. The modern evangelical movement is generally dated to around 1738, influenced by theological currents such as Pietism, Puritanism, Quakerism, and Moravianism—notably the work of Nicolaus Zinzendorf and the Herrnhut community. Evangelicalism gained momentum during the First Great Awakening, with figures like John Wesley and the early Methodists playing central roles.

It has had a longstanding presence in the Anglosphere, particularly in the United Kingdom and the United States, before expanding globally in the 19th, 20th, and early 21st centuries. The movement grew substantially during the 18th and 19th centuries, notably through the series of religious revivals known as the Great Awakening in the United States and various revival movements and reform efforts in Britain. Today, evangelicals are found across many Protestant denominations and global contexts, without being confined to a single tradition. Notable evangelical leaders have included Zinzendorf, George Fox, Wesley, George Whitefield, Jonathan Edwards, Billy Graham, Bill Bright, Harold Ockenga, Gudina Tumsa, John Stott, Francisco Olazábal, William J. Seymour, Luis Palau, Os Guinness, and Martyn Lloyd-Jones.

As of 2016, an estimated 619 million people identified as evangelical Christians worldwide, accounting for roughly one in four Christians. In the United States, evangelicals make up about a quarter of the population and represent the largest religious group. A growing number of individuals, often referred to as exvangelicals, have left evangelicalism due to discrimination, abuse, or theological disillusionment. Evangelicalism is a transdenominational movement found across many Protestant denominations, including Reformed traditions (such as Presbyterianism, Congregationalism, Anglicanism, and Reformed Baptists), Plymouth Brethren, Baptists, Methodists (especially in the Wesleyan–Arminian tradition), Lutherans, Moravians, Free Church bodies, Mennonites, Quakers, Pentecostal and charismatic movements, and various non-denominational churches.


It's distinct from Catholicism as it literally originated with Martin Luther's rejection of the Church.

This guy was THAT sort of Evangelical. He created his own church. He was in no way associated with Catholicism.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:59 pm to
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Evangelical has a much more specific definition/concept
So does psychopathic.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 3:03 pm to
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So does psychopathic.

Well that pivot has already been discussed, as well as the hypocrisy relating to usage when actual Leftists engage in similar violence.

I bet if I pull up threads on the tranny school shooter in TN that we weren't told to ignore leftism and focus on the crazy part, for instance.

Or the ISIS attack in New Orleans in January. I do remember this one, because I was posting the video of the guy being completely normal from a few months prior (prior to it being pulled down), speculating what happened in his personal life to make him go off the deep end, and was met with your typical Islamic-based rabble.
Posted by Night Vision
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 3:19 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 3:20 pm to
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I bet if I pull up threads on the tranny school shooter in TN that we weren't told to ignore leftism and focus on the crazy part, for instance.


Transgenderism is psychopathy, DSM-5 assertions not withstanding. Leftism definitively supports it. They deny it is a mental illness at all. So it's a different issue.
Posted by hogcard1964
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 3:21 pm to
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It is not a bipartisan board. It is virtually 100% democrat with 2 political appointees that are republican one from the senate and one from the house.


It's what they are. They can't own it, but their leaders (Walz, AOC, Waters, Schumer...) will use them to pull this and spout this dangerous rhetoric and then say "no we didn't tell anyone to do this". ... but everyone knows they have.

They can't separate from this one because it's within their own party.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 3:23 pm to
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Transgenderism is psychopathy, DSM-5 assertions not withstanding.



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Leftism definitively supports it. They deny it is a mental illness at all. So it's a different issue.

As expected, the hypocritical pivot in full display

Either they're crazy and we ignore politics or we focus on politics and ignore the crazy. Moving the scale to how it best supports your in-group and then moving nit when it hurts your in-group is hyporcisy.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 3:24 pm to
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It's what they are. They can't own it, but their leaders (Walz, AOC, Waters, Schumer...) will use them to pull this and spout this dangerous rhetoric and then say "no we didn't tell anyone to do this". ... but everyone knows they have.

They can't separate from this one because it's within their own party.

What? You're projecting or are very confused as to who this guy is.

This guy is an Evangelical Christian who is anti-abortion, anti-trans, and had a kill list of DEMs and pro-abortion types.
Posted by hogcard1964
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 3:29 pm to
They're not Christian. They pray to saints.

Not knocking their cult/beliefs, but it is, what it is.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 3:31 pm to
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Transgenderism is psychopathy, DSM-5 assertions not withstanding.

I'm sure your " " is supposed to convey something responsive to the medical post. What is it?

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As expected, the hypocritical pivot in full display

Either they're crazy and we ignore politics or we focus on politics and ignore the crazy.
Unfortunately in this instance it is not a binary proposition. It's quaternary with one of the elements being "they're crazy and we focus on politics."
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 3:31 pm to
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They're not Christian. They pray to saints.

Not knocking their cult/beliefs, but it is, what it is.


Posted by Night Vision
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 3:31 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 3:33 pm to
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I'm sure your " " is supposed to convey something responsive to the medical post. What is it?


You can't just dismiss the DSM-5 like that, and you know this.

Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 3:34 pm to
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This guy is an Evangelical Christian
He is a psychopath. The rest is secondary, and perhaps as insignificant as his Democrat associations.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 3:35 pm to
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He is a psychopath.


This is not a binary proposition. It's quaternary with one of the elements being "they're crazy and an Evangelical Christian"

Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 3:35 pm to
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They're not Christian. They pray to saints.




Catholic > loser spin offs


Especially those fricking bapists
This post was edited on 6/15/25 at 3:36 pm
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 3:36 pm to
...what is most important... has Walz retracted and apologized for his violent rhetoric? He basically coaxed this into happening.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/15/25 at 3:37 pm to
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...what is most important... has Walz retracted and apologized for his violent rhetoric? He basically coaxed this into happening.


What about Walz inspires Evangelical Christians who are anti-trans and anti-abortion, exactly?
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