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re: Military members to “quit” if faced with mandatory vaccinations

Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:15 pm to
Posted by TigerChief10
Member since Dec 2012
10858 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:15 pm to
Data released by the CDC shows that young people are over twice as likely to be hospitalized by the vaccine than they are after contracting the virus. The push for young people to be vaccinated proves they don’t give frick all about the science.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:16 pm to
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AnthraxVax was deemed an unnecessary risk unless deployment was to an area where Anthrax bioweapon exposure might occur


You mean like Area 1, where I was for all of 2001 and part of 2002?
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 5:17 pm
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26110 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:16 pm to
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I’ve been contacted by members of our voluntary military who say they will quit if the COVID vaccine is mandated.


They are in for a rude awakening, lol.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135721 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:19 pm to
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When I was in Korea from December 2000 - March 2002, MEDCOM could NOT administer the Anthrax shot.
Because those were the orders.
If there had been a possibility of an Anthrax attack on the Korean Peninsula, MEDCOM would have been ordered to administer the AnthraxVax, and you would have been ordered to take it.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:21 pm to
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If there had been a possibility of an Anthrax attack on the Korean Peninsula


Area 1 was extremely high risk back then, especially when September 11th happened. We were on THREATCON (predecessor to FPCON) Delta for 2 weeks and Charlie for the remainder.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:22 pm to
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Not once was I ordered to take a vaccine that was not FDA approved or under a legal review.



What happens in this scenario? There is a deployment to a region with a novel infectious virus that has asymptomatic shedding before the onset of symptoms, which end up being severe. Military doctors isolate the agent, and develop a vaccination program that shows immediate efficacy, and they suggest mass vaccinations. Could the military order mass vaccinations despite the impossibility of it getting FDA approval due to time constraints?
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:24 pm to
Deployment scenarios are a lot different than requiring the entire force to be vaccinated.
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
29389 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:26 pm to
Unless it has changed since I retired you have to be court martialed to get a punitive discharge (bad conduct or dishonorable).

Someone I served with refused the Antrhax shot and ultimately wound up with a general discharge. You can apply to have your discharge upgraded.

Discharge review boards can do the following.

Upgrade general discharges, other than honorable (undesirable) discharges, and special court-martial bad conduct discharges.

Change the reason for discharge.


Board for Correction of Military Records


Applies if you have a general courts-martial discharge or want to a change your discharge to or from medical retirement or medical discharge.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22783 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:26 pm to
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You aren't "retirement tenured" until 18.


Not thinking about retirement. After 16 years if you are fed up with it I imagine you can turn in your papers for discharge. They can't make you stay. I'm talking about forcing a 16 year guy to take a vaccination. I'll just say I know a guy who is about there and he will not be forced to take a vaccination to stay in the military.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21698 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:26 pm to
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Their body,


Not when they work for Uncle Sam.
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 5:32 pm
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21698 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:28 pm to
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Someone I served with refused the Antrhax shot and ultimately wound up with a general discharge. You can apply to have your discharge upgraded.



They can force you out with an administrative discharge as well without a court martial.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22783 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:29 pm to
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They can force you out with an administrative discharge as well without a court martial.


I don't think this thing is going to work out very well.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:30 pm to
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I don't think this thing is going to work out very well.


It will certainly keep the IG busy.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:31 pm to
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Deployment scenarios are a lot different than requiring the entire force to be vaccinated.



Of course. But if you can humor me for a moment, let's say the mass vaccination program is recommended for everyone based on the virulence of the pathogen. The military surely has some guidelines about this particular situation?
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:32 pm to
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let's say the mass vaccination program is recommended for everyone based on the virulence of the pathogen. The military surely has some guidelines about this particular situation?


If the mortality rate was anywhere close to 10-20% maybe.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22783 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:32 pm to
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Not when they work for Uncle Sam.


Even for an "experimental" vaccination?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135721 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:34 pm to
quote:

Area 1 was extremely high risk back then
For Anthrax Bioweapons?
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20832 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:35 pm to
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Trevaylin


Are you ok with abortion? If so, why?
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
29389 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:37 pm to
I got 2 Anthrax shots while the program was up and running. A few days after I got the 2nd shot (while deployed) the program was put on hold and I don't remember ever getting another one.

"The vaccine was given as a series of five shots. After the first shot, the vaccine is given four weeks, six months, 12 months and 18 months later, and annually or every three years thereafter, depending on risk."
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21698 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:37 pm to
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Even for an "experimental" vaccination?


The moment the FDA formally approves it , it is no longer experimental.

Not only that but the army is just about done creating their own covid vaccine for all SARS type viruses, including Mers and covid.
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