re: Military folks, thoughts on good guy with a gun

Theres countless people who have been thankful for a "good guy with a gun" and countless others who wished there was one.

I'd be willing to bet that there are over 100positive:1negative cases where a gun is in the right hands. And i dont mean obscure things like some drunk dude getting shot going into his beighbors house in the middle of the night.

I mean in public. Stray bullets lean heavily on criminal activity. Obviously cant include police either.

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Generally, no, but it obviously depends a lot on who the "good guy" is. A former soldier or police officer or even someone who grew up around firearms and hunts or shoots a lot is a net positive in those situations. I wouldn't trust most Americans with a firearm in an active situation, though.


Generally yes. Most non sanctioned people with guns I've encountered are at worst semi skilled. I consider that above average. These are people with varied backgrounds of military, police, survivalist. They shoot with above average competency. People that carry guns and consider training generally do. And they train more than you think. I'll wager that most people wanting to engage them would be overwhelmed unless they are above the average (an average above most people's normal). Just some food for thought.

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I'm about as pro-2A as they come, but I just do not believe that one iota. More than half of Americans with guns are fricking stupid. I think it's the most valuable amendment in the Constitution right alongside the First, but I want to be realistic about it: it's a tradeoff between a higher murder rate (which we have) and a much stronger long-term check against tyranny and oppression (which we also have).

You don't see Ahmed attempting three major terrorist attacks in the U.S. in 90 days in part because they know that some baws would start murdering them freelance, and they know we have the tools to do it.

With all respect I submit...rural America should own any average across the world. Cliff notes, your average of the world top 64 against the average of the rural U.S. top 12......We would massacre you at least 100 yards before you could effectively engage us. Put me on that team alone. Double the range to 200 yards. Give me optics above iron sights and you are proper phucked.

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You don't see Ahmed attempting three major terrorist attacks in the U.S. in 90 days in part because they know that some baws would start murdering them freelance, and they know we have the tools to do it.

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Yeah. And. Three Hadjis with knives in downtown Atlanta would be dropped in ten seconds.

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Another example of a good guy with a gun.

Hero kills murderous psycho that was trying to drown twin babies.

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Yes I trust the average citizen as much or more than many in the military. There are literally dozens of instances where a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy. You just have to dig to find the examples.

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These combat veterans disagree

quick google turns up 3 results of bystanders being shot in shootout because of good guy with a gun

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Combat Vets are prob Obama plants

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I'm in the military and trust me, I would take your average citizen that goes to the range over some of my comrades every single time.

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LOL I was going to post similar, there are LOTS of military members (current and former) who I wouldn't want armed in a shooting event.

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Do you trust your average citizen that goes to the range every so often pulling out a gun in an active shooter situation?

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After taking the required class for my CCL twice, I would say that I don't trust the average citizen that has little to no training. I would hope that people who carry get formal training. Watching and listening to most of the people that were in those classes with me made me realize how little training many gun owners have. That being said, in an active shooter scenario, anything that draws the attention of the shooter or diverts his attention from potential victims will likely save lives. An untrained civilian trying to take out the shooter may cause as much damage or they may not, but they will surely distract the shooter and that usually saves lives.