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Mike Rowe of Dirty Jobs - no federal money to colleges for no USA flag

Posted on 12/2/16 at 7:29 am
Posted by FrenchToast
The French Kitchen
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 12/2/16 at 7:29 am



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Hot Under The Blue Collar, Episode 11
Last night on the tee-vee, as I flicked back and forth between my most trusted sources of cable news, I saw a number a college students setting fire to the American flag. Some of the students said they were "angry." Others said they were "disgusted." But many others were anxious to explain why they had become “fearful” of the American Flag. Interesting.
At Hampshire College, The President, Jonathan Lash, has actually removed the flag from his campus, in response to students who expressed “fear and discomfort” when confronted by the sight of Old Glory. He offered this explanation: “Removing the flag from our campus will better enable us to focus our efforts on addressing racist, misogynistic, Islamophobic, anti-immigrant, anti-Semitic, and anti-LGBTQ rhetoric and behaviors.”
As I dropped one of those giant round ice cubes into a tumbler of Whistle Pig, I couldn’t help but wonder if President Lash was unaware that billions of people around the world are routinely subjected to horrific levels of racism, misogyny, and bigotry that far exceed any injustice in modern-day America. Furthermore, I was curious to know if President Lash really believed that removing our flag is a better way to assuage the fears of his frightened students, than simply educating them about the undeniable fact that no country on the planet affords its citizens more liberty than this one? Finally, I found myself wondering as to why the President of Hampshire College would allow his students to pay for their tuition with federal dollars – federal dollars provided by the same government whose flag was no longer suitable to fly at his school.
Here’s the problem. Tuition at Hampshire College is about $60,000 a year. That’s not a problem because it’s expensive – it’s a problem because 85% of Hampshire students qualify for some form of federal financial aid. https://bit.ly/2gsZxnk. That means that We the People are enabling schools like Hampshire to sell a liberal arts degree for approximately $250,000. With $1.3 trillion dollars of student debt currently on the books, I found myself thinking how nice it would be to hear a more persuasive argument from those who will happily take money from a country whose flag they despise.
I turned the channel, and watched another group of students dance around another pile of burning flags at another expensive university. I couldn't tell where they were, but occurred to me that wherever they were – it probably wasn’t a trade school. To my knowledge, no one has ever burned a flag at a trade school.
I wonder why that is?
I have no idea, but the thought reminded me that I had yet to post Episode 11 of Hot Under the Blue Collar. It features a graduate from one of those schools – a guy named Scott. Scott studied to be an electrician, and his comments, though not nearly as expensive as Daniel’s, are far more… illuminating?
Carry on,
and don’t play with matches.
Mike


From the FB page of Mike Rowe

Mike Rowe wonders why we give federal money to colleges who refuse to fly the American flag

Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Atlanta GA - ITP
Member since Sep 2012
24936 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 7:31 am to
So wait...when are we supposed to care about celebrities views on these things? When they agree with us?
Posted by duckdude
Member since Apr 2016
392 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 7:33 am to
Mike Rowe for SoS!!!
Posted by gamatt53
Member since Nov 2010
4934 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 7:35 am to
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So wait...when are we supposed to care about celebrities views on these things? When they agree with us?


Sheep love hypocrasy around here
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140468 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 7:38 am to
No. You have permission to not care about conservatives celebrities. But don't worry. Since there are so few of them your not caring is limited.
Posted by griswold
Member since Oct 2009
4043 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:06 am to
quote:

So wait...when are we supposed to care about celebrities views on these things? When they agree with us?

Yes, he should shut his mouth about politics.... as soon as the rest of the entertainment industry does.
Posted by Kino74
Denham springs
Member since Nov 2013
5344 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:11 am to
Perhaps the only show I use to watch where I was never enticed to want his job. Ever.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35239 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:13 am to
I think it's ridiculous to refuse to fly the US flag.

And federal aid and it's impact on the cost of education is an issue that needs to be closely evaluated.

That being said, I don't think that withholding aid from students because a university makes a dumb decision regarding the flag.

What about students who disagree with that decision? Should they be punished for that decision because the University made it a try they already began their coursework?
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140468 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:16 am to
Hampshire College is private and costs $62k per year. I'm not sure what kind of federal funds are even being used there. If it's just student loans then let the dumb asses have the loan but do not forgive their loans.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9044 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:18 am to
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So wait...when are we supposed to care about celebrities views on these things? When they agree with us?


Maybe because Mike Rowe is an intelligent guy who has dedicated his life to his cause, which is to promote education, and especially education in trades and other jobs which society has labeled "undesirable."

He really isn't a "celebrity" in the sense that most people use it. His big break was "Dirty Jobs," but that's not really what he does anymore.

Here's his TED Talk: LINK

This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 8:19 am
Posted by Rattlehead82
Florida
Member since Sep 2009
1915 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:19 am to
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This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 8:23 am
Posted by griswold
Member since Oct 2009
4043 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:21 am to
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Should they be punished for that decision because the University made it a try they already began their coursework?

If they choose to attend that University, they are part of the problem. frick em!
They can continue their coursework elsewhere without being punished.
Posted by duckdude
Member since Apr 2016
392 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:25 am to
The students that don't agree can go to a different university.

Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
10667 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:31 am to
We have to do things to make sure Mike Rowe loses his endorsements and income and maybe his show for his right-wing, neofascist beliefs.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35239 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:34 am to
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The students that don't agree can go to a different university.
So a student who has a semester or two left in his/her degree should be financially coerced into transferring because the University won't fly a US flag?
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27305 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:36 am to
I don't think people mind when celebrities have opinions. What irritates people is when celebrities act emotional and are hateful to the other side by calling them stupid, racist, etc.

If you are respectful and give a thought-out response, I'm sure most people can respect that they have a different view.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35239 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:39 am to
quote:

If they choose to attend that University, they are part of the problem.
But many problem didn't know the University would make this decision.
quote:

They can continue their coursework elsewhere without being punished.
They may be fairly easy for younger students, but not so much for those near graduation.

And despite the absurdity of not flying the flag (which the college has decided against), I think it's a terrible precedent to withhold funding from students, who would otherwise qualify, because the University made a stupid, but not illegal decision.

This authortarian federal government stuff should be reserved for the freedom hating statists on the left, not the right.

Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35239 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:41 am to
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Hampshire College is private and costs $62k per year. I'm not sure what kind of federal funds are even being used there. If it's just student loans then let the dumb asses have the loan but do not forgive their loans.
Yeah. He mentioned individual student aid. I could see if it was direct funding to the university itself, but that's a lot different than withholding aid from the students themselves.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28359 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:11 am to
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That being said, I don't think that withholding aid from students because a university makes a dumb decision regarding the flag.


Where did he say that financial aid from students should be withheld because they choose to burn the US flag? From my reading of his essay it looks as if he is simply pointing out the hypocrisy of students burning the most prominent symbol of the country they apparently hate, or at least have a problem with the some degree, yet they are more than willing to accept the benefits of living in said country (i.e. federal financial aid)

The US is the most diverse and most tolerant nation in the world today and maybe in the history of human civilization. Perfect? Of course not. But differences are tolerated here FAR more than anywhere else on the planet.

You want to burn the flag, then burn the flag. But be man enough to put your money where your mouth is and refuse to take federal financial aid from the nation which you apparently despise
Posted by GoRuckTiger
Bossie City
Member since Aug 2013
1453 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:23 am to
That is some bad PR for that school. I know if I'm hiring someone and see that the applicant has a degree from Hampshire University I'm throwing out the application without even looking at the rest of their credentials. If you burn the flag or associate with folks who do...frick you. I know if I'm a parent of one of those students and I was spending that much on my child's education, I'm jerking their arse out of there with the quickness. Damn diploma will be worthless if this not flying the flag BS gets full continuous media exposure.
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