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Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:27 pm to TheDoc
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THOSE ARE NOT ARMS USED FOR PERSONAL SELF DEFENSE
This is just more crap you're pulling out of your arse. Read the 2nd Amendment. The two key words are "militia" and "arms". Quit trying to rewrite the constitution and quit parsing as though you're some slick politician.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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My biggest issue in this debate is that the current laws, which enjoy huge bipartisan support, are not being enforced properly.
You have some examples of that chief, or are we all still pontificating without accountability?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:28 pm to Sentrius
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We have the lowest gun murder rate in decades.
we have our lowest murder rate in decades period. But we still have more civilian to civilian gun deaths than the rest of the world. I'm willing to accept somewhat of a higher rate just given how many countries out there ban guns completely and other variables, but not to then extent that it exists.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:29 pm to TheDoc
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so many strawman arguments
No, just calling lies when I see them.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:29 pm to trackfan
Clearly you have never been in the military.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:30 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:30 pm to trackfan
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This is just more crap you're pulling out of your arse. Read the 2nd Amendment. The two key words are "militia" and "arms". Quit trying to rewrite the constitution and quit parsing as though you're some slick politician.
What the frick is this shite?
you don't have a fricking CLUE dude... holy shite!
when you bring up militia and arms and think that is supporting your dumb arse argument, you are fricking clueless.
CLUELESS, I don't know how else to say that.
read up on the constitution and then come back to the conversation.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:30 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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But we still have more civilian to civilian gun deaths than the rest of the world.
Sadly, that is the price for certain liberties. There are few gun deaths in prison. There are lots of machete deaths in the third world.
This narrow area - civilian to civilian gun deaths sounds like spin, DS - I'm sorry, but that's how I see it. You'd rather they use crowbars?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:31 pm to TheDoc
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NO, they do not. read the fricking constitution.
the constitution mentions nukes?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:32 pm to trackfan
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No, just calling lies when I see them.
I never lied. you are full of shite and don't understand anything about the 2nd amendment.
I know this because you equate NUCLEAR WARHEADS to "arms"
this tell me IMMEDIATELY that you don't have the slightest clue as to what "arms" refer to in the constitution.
good lord, you are stuck on stupid.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:33 pm to TheDoc
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it's retarded he's being just as stupid as the lupica guy
If you won't acknowledge that many of our constitutional rights have limits placed on them by the government, you aren't in a position to call Lupica or anyone else stupid. The 1st Amendment as written makes no exceptions for yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre and the 2nd Amendment as written makes no mention of types of arms that should be allowed.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:33 pm to Ace Midnight
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I'm sorry, but that's how I see it
I mean if you can't tell that I'm not anti-gun then i don't know what to tell you. What's the problem with enforcing current laws and not supporting an organization that actively tries to weaken enforcement?
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:34 pm to Draconian Sanctions
DS, you aren't worth responding to if you're going to play stupid.
not worth my time. you both are blatantly ignorant to understand the 2nd amendment.
i'm pretty floored honestly.
not worth my time. you both are blatantly ignorant to understand the 2nd amendment.
i'm pretty floored honestly.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:35 pm to trackfan
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The Second Amendment stipulates that the right is to "keep and bear" arms, meaning to possess, maintain, transport, carry, serve, and operate as in individual. That rules out things that are crew served and operated.
Further, most of our legal jurisprudence is based on English Common Law, which defined "arms" as being items of common use by individual troops and suitable for one on one combat. Area effect weapons like explosives and artillery were not considered arms.
This definition is born out when we look at what items a person was expected to provide for himself under the Militia Acts -- swords, muskets, and a spear/pike like device called an espontoon, not artillery, not grenades (yes, they existed back then).
What you are engaging it is a decades old attempt to refute the individual right reading of the Second Amendment, an attempt which has become known as "The Nuke Argument".
That argument was DOA when it was first made all those decades ago.
It is still DOA.
Don't bring it up again. It's a fallacy and i'm explaining it to you quite nicely. You try to insult my intelligence with your deliberate twisting of the 2nd amendment.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:35 pm to TheDoc
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not worth my time. you both are blatantly ignorant to understand the 2nd amendment.
Well I got a 3.7 in Con Law I and a 3.5 in Con Law II so you might want to let my law professors know so they can adjust my grade accordingly
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:35 pm to trackfan
The 1st was written prior to the internet so maybe we need to control free speech, I mean hell they couldn't possibly envision anything more than crude printing presses and a town crier.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:36 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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examples
From your link:
*The Firearms Owners' Protection Act of 1986. This law mandated that the ATF could only inspect firearms dealers once a year. It reduced record-keeping penalties from felonies to misdemeanors, prohibited the ATF from computerizing purchase records for firearms and required the government to prove that a gun dealer was "willful" if they sold a firearm to a prohibited person.
*The Tiahrt amendments. Beginning in 2003, the amendments by then-representative Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., to the Justice Department's appropriation bill included requirements such as the same-day destruction of FBI background check documents and limits on the sharing of data from traces.
*Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Reform and Firearms Modernization Act. Most recently introduced in 2011, the bill proposed changing several regulations, including redefining the burden of proof for agents investigating firearms dealers accused of selling to prohibited individuals and capping fines for other violations.
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I'm cool with all these checks on government overreach - I could have voted for them as a member of Congress with a clear conscience - these really only curb the ATF, an agency that is not know for restraint (Waco), wisdom (Fast and Furious) or even common sense (Ruby Ridge, although the FBI and USMS proved no better).
I thought you meant weakening of efforts to actually curb actual gun violence.
Whew.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:38 pm to Ace Midnight
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on government overreach
of course
There are a lot of other examples and a lot of other links out there I could post but I realize that nothing will ever be good enough for you though and that's fine.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:40 pm to TheDoc
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I hope your home is broken into and all your shite gets taken and they duct tape your dumb arse to your fricking wall
Are you illiterate you short busser? I'm opposed to NYC's gun laws, which is obvious to anyone who bothered to read the freakin' thread. I'm okay with the laws the way they are. If we're going to debate, maybe you should at least learn how to read on a 5th grade level, and then at you least would be able to understand where I'm coming from.
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