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re: Michael Brown robbed store hours before his death ?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:46 am to The Spleen
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:46 am to The Spleen
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I didn't say the pictures attempted to paint him in a bad light. I said the police department's decision to release them were an attempt to paint him in a bad light.
Michael Brown made himself look bad.
The cops didn't do that.I thought we all wanted to know the details that lead up to the shooting? I certainly did and was willing to accept that they may be uncomfortable but were necessary. So, did you only want to hear info that confirmed your own bias?
Either you want the facts or you don't. Either you are capable of seeing through your own bias or not.
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Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:47 am to novabill
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Was the cop put in a position where he felt he had to use deadly force to protect himself. If so, then robbery or not he is justified. If the cop did not feel in danger, robbery or not, then he is not justified in the shooting
This is one hundred percent correct. I don't dispute this in anyway. Good luck trying to convince the black community of this however. The skipped the investigation and went straight to "justice."
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:48 am to tysonslefthook
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This is one hundred percent correct. I don't dispute this in anyway. Good luck trying to convince the black community of this however. The skipped the investigation and went straight to "justice."
Just like Trayvon Martin
To this day the black community still believes Zimmerman killed him Dirty Harry style, simply walked up to Martin, pulled out his gun and said "Hasta la vista baby" and shot him in the chest out of nothing more than racial hatred.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:48 am to The Spleen
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It absolutely was. And just look at the rubes that in this thread that have fallen for the bait.
You amaze me. I understand the pesky facts are screwing with your narrative and its making you all hot and bothered but seriously man.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:49 am to rb
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Anybody think he'd lie to law enforcement to save his own skin?
How would it "save his own skin"? His friend being murdered doesn't absolve him of the robbery crime.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:50 am to kilo
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Im not saying this exonerates shite but sure as hell changes things
Please tell me what it changes.
Tell me how this may take the cop from being guilty to being innocent? If the cop was guilty before, it was because he shot without having his life in danger, still if the cop shot without being in danger he is guilty.
I am waiting for your take on what this changes.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:52 am to cwill
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How would it "save his own skin"? His friend being murdered doesn't absolve him of the robbery crime.
Ain't everyday a robbery suspect get's to write his own narrative on MSM outlets.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:53 am to novabill
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Please tell me what it changes
did you see the picture of the guy? How the hell does the witness's statement that cop tried to pull him in through the window of the cruiser by his neck make any sense? How is that physically possible. The cop better be the size of Andre The Giant.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:53 am to Pinecone Repair
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Michael Brown made himself look bad.
The cops didn't do that.I thought we all wanted to know the details that lead up to the shooting? I certainly did and was willing to accept that they may be uncomfortable but were necessary. So, did you only want to hear info that confirmed your own bias?
Either you want the facts or you don't. Either you are capable of seeing through your own bias or not.
I said somewhere else in this thread I wouldn't have a problem with them releasing this incident report had they also released report(s) on the actual shooting. This was a calculated move to paint Brown in a negative light. Was he in the wrong if that's him in the video? Absolutely. Did he deserve to die for that? Absolutely not. Did he deserve to die for whatever happened in the encounter with the cop. Maybe, but we're left to speculate because they didn't release that info.
And the strategy has worked on many. It seems people have already forgotten they also released the officer's name that pulled the trigger, yet everyone is talking about the robbery.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:53 am to novabill
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Please tell me what it changes. Tell me how this may take the cop from being guilty to being innocent? If the cop was guilty before, it was because he shot without having his life in danger, still if the cop shot without being in danger he is guilty. I am waiting for your take on what this changes.
I'm not a lawyer, but it provides a reason for the officer to stop the young man. It seems to me it wouldn't be premeditated murder.
But you are correct, just because the officer had a justified reason to stop Brown, that doesn't mean he had the right to use deadly force.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:54 am to graves1
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The robbery does have something to do with the shooting. It shows a mindset of Brown. His actions talking to an officer. If Brown had just left church and not robbed a store he would not have a fear of going to jail. Interaction with the officer may have gone a different way.
No, Browns mindset is not relevant to the shooting. His actions would be relevant, but it is the mindset of the officer at the time of the shooting that is relevant.
IF, the officer was in danger and feared for his life, then he was justified, even if Brown had come from church.
The only thing this changes is the emotional response of those that are following the story and may now feel less sympathetic towards Brown. Sympathy for Brown should play no role in how one views the actions of the officer.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:54 am to novabill
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Please tell me what it changes.
Tell me how this may take the cop from being guilty to being innocent? If the cop was guilty before, it was because he shot without having his life in danger, still if the cop shot without being in danger he is guilty.
I am waiting for your take on what this changes.
So we are determining guilt now? Im not comfortable doing that, are you?
It affects potential charges to the officer, motive a whole slew of things.
You keep wanting to dissect the shooting form the whole incident. Thats not how it works.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:55 am to kilo
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Does it matter if its true?
No. Its just that its harder for me to immediately believe it is true based on the way this information has been released.
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The main witness has changed his story three times
Does it matter if he changed his story to the truth?
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Is that suspicious?
Of course it is, thats my point. Him changing his story is suspicious. The way this "robbery suspect" story has been released is suspicious. But none of these things DIRECTLY relate to the actual shooting.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:55 am to rb
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Ain't everyday a robbery suspect get's to write his own narrative on MSM outlets.
OK, that's non-responsive. How does his alleged co-conspirators alleged murder at the hands of the cops "save his skin"?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:57 am to C
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Maybe the cops were trying to show compassion to the family who just lost their son in a tragic way.
The mom said the cops would not even let her identify the body.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:57 am to onmymedicalgrind
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The way this "robbery suspect" story has been released is suspicious.
Why? If its true why is it suspicious?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:57 am to C
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Maybe the cops were trying to show compassion to the family.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:58 am to kilo
Well if Michael Brown laid his hands on someone during a robbery he just committed a serious felony. And courts have ruled in the past that the police can shoot a a person in the exact situation it looks like Brown put himself in. See shoplifting a few cigars no biggie, but once he touch employee it became assault during a robbery.
But all the information still isn't out so we will see. The cop looks like his 6 yr record was perfect. Man it's so funny to see how the regular crowd defending "he is a good kid "idiots have shifted their gears.
But all the information still isn't out so we will see. The cop looks like his 6 yr record was perfect. Man it's so funny to see how the regular crowd defending "he is a good kid "idiots have shifted their gears.
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 11:00 am
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:58 am to igoringa
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Those who accepted the words of those with the most bias and built that as a foundation for events that led to extreme violence and millions of dollars of damage
again, are you talking about the community or the cops?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:59 am to cwill
So we beat up the cops for not releasing details of an investigation into the shooting death by one of their cops and when the mob forces them to release the details they also release the details of an investigation into a robbery that led to the shooting and we yell "Conspiracy!!" The mob is being very hypocritical.
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