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re: Mexican border jumpers say they'll climb over whatever Trump builds
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:52 pm to Dale51
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:52 pm to Dale51
quote:
Was never claimed by anyone.
Seems like a cost benefit analysis hasn't been done by your side either.
Is the cost of constructing and patrolling this wall to the extent that is being discussed a worthwhile investment?
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Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:53 pm to Dale51
You have a very odd habit of jumping around the thread and responding at random. 
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:53 pm to upgrayedd
Oh, I understand it,I am a truck driver,and have to go through that area in South Texas between Laredo and McAllen quite often. I see what a nightmare it is.
It can be made much easier to do though,and much more effective. It's going to cost money,lots of it,but it's worth doing,and while we are doing it,it's best to go on and do it right.
It will even be great for the land owners North of the wall,and make it easier to improve on their property.
It can be made much easier to do though,and much more effective. It's going to cost money,lots of it,but it's worth doing,and while we are doing it,it's best to go on and do it right.
It will even be great for the land owners North of the wall,and make it easier to improve on their property.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:54 pm to Powerman
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So there are only 2 possible scenarios: there are either many undetected tunnels or THERE IS ONLY ONE
Again...you miss (purposely?) the point. The point was that tunnels are for smuggling contraband and the small number of people needed to moved it. They don't work for large number of people for the reasons i stated. Their existence need to be protected from detection and large numbers of people beating a path to the entrance defeats that need.
Not really the hard of a concept to grasp...unless one doesn't want to grasp it for some reason.
Seriously...you don't see the problem with tunnels for moving large numbers of people?
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:56 pm to Dale51
quote:
Again...you miss (purposely?) the point. The point was that tunnels are for smuggling contraband and the small number of people needed to moved it. They don't work for large number of people for the reasons i stated. Their existence need to be protected from detection and large numbers of people beating a path to the entrance defeats that need.
Not really the hard of a concept to grasp...unless one doesn't want to grasp it for some reason.
Seriously...you don't see the problem with tunnels for moving large numbers of people?
SDVTiger says they are designed to move large numbers of people.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:57 pm to Powerman
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I'm a little bit too well fed to be called fit
Ok...in your more fit days!
I have not only heard of, but used Hunger in that way. That being said, motivation is not a miracle to overcoming barriers. That only works in stories and movies.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:58 pm to Dale51
Maybe you should be more worried about the contraband coming across than the people coming across for more noble reasons. Crazy thought right?
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:01 pm to auggie
I'm not familiar with that area, but the area I am familiar with will see little to no improvement with that plan in place. The terrain makes it almost impossible unless you have unlimited funds.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:04 pm to SDVTiger
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Actually they are. And highly sophisticated
A small number probably are. The problem is that..even though the tunnel itself is hard to see, the entrance and exist posts a problem for large numbers, and wound pose an even greater problem once detection and transport systems are in place. How many--as a percentage of the criminal aliens use this method..ballpark? I ask because this is a business. It costs thousands to use traditional methods of "run in the dark and get to this place and hide." method. How many could afford the easier and more secure method?
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Most illegals don't just cross the border, they come here on visa. The Wall is unnecessary and certainly not worth the expense
While that is probably currently true,there are still a lot that cross at the border.
Also if you crack down on the VISA problem,the border crossings will quickly become the #1 method used again.
It all has to be fixed.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:10 pm to Powerman
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This is one of those myths often repeated by Trumpkins that simply isn't true
In order to state a number is wrong, one has to have the "right" numbers at hand.
If 110 is a myth..what do your numbers show?
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:13 pm to Powerman
quote:Other compelling headlines.
And this is why the wall won't work.
Rapist say they'll rape anyway.
Speeders say they'll speed anyway.
Shoplifters say they'll shoplift anyway.
Etc etc.
The stupid of this thread is hilarious.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:14 pm to Powerman
quote:
Translation: "Everything I believe in is correct and if you don't agree with me you're dumb"
No...thats not my position at all. I'm simply pointing out the psychological trait of people who strongly believe in a position, yet when asked for the facts that they used to arrive at that conclusion...they have nothing but simply restating their claim over and over.
It would seem like, if someone know their position was based in fact and not emotion, they could share what those facts are, yet after 7+ pages....nothing.
Why is that?
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:15 pm to upgrayedd
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I'm not familiar with that area, but the area I am familiar with will see little to no improvement with that plan in place. The terrain makes it almost impossible unless you have unlimited funds.
You are probably talking about Arizona and New Mexico and Southwest Texas?
Those areas are vast,and much more difficult to cover,but at the same time,there is much less scrub and vegetation to hide in.
These areas are where I think National Guard should be used.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:15 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Other compelling headlines.
Rapist say they'll rape anyway.
Speeders say they'll speed anyway.
Shoplifters say they'll shoplift anyway.
Etc etc.
The stupid of this thread is hilarious.
Well the wall also doesn't address the fact that many illegals are people that entered the country legally.
Over half of all illegals have been here over a decade. The "new" illegal population is slowing. Now is about the most nonsensical time to build a wall.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:16 pm to Dale51
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Translation: "Everything I believe in is correct and if you don't agree with me you're dumb"
Did Powerman really say this?
Oh my. Talk about a complete lack of self awareness.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:17 pm to Powerman
quote:Your point?
Well the wall also doesn't address the fact that many illegals are people that entered the country legally.
quote:Fine.
Over half of all illegals have been here over a decade. The "new" illegal population is slowing. Now is about the most nonsensical time to build a wall.
Still doesn't make the point of the OP less irrelevant.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:17 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
I literally said this on the first page
The why are you confused and seemingly unable to articulate your position in nothing more than "cover my arse" simplistic generalities.
You stated that on the first page?..I asked several pages back for clarification as to what you would guess the reduction of a wall would provide. You chose to ignore it. Why is that? Can you provide that guess now?
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:18 pm to Dale51
quote:
yet after 7+ pages....nothing.
Why is that?
Dale51.........let me introduce you to Powerman.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:18 pm to Powerman
It absolutely will work because single dedicated border crossers aren’t the problem
It is the trucks that carry 10+ at a time that will be stopped
It is the trucks that carry 10+ at a time that will be stopped
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