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re: Medicine Isn't A Science. Practice of the diagnosis, treatment, and prevention of disease

Posted on 7/27/22 at 12:09 am to
Posted by Gaggle
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Posted by VolcanicTiger
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 12:12 am to
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Do you not see how you acted elitist in the response about elitism? I think you truly are that unaware. It's wild.
The funny part is you think that calling me an elitist is an insult. People on your level are the ones who got off on watching a wealthy woman get a pie in her face in the mid-20th Century. It feels cathartic to you, but does nothing to prove your inane point.
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Posted by Gaggle
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Posted by VolcanicTiger
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 12:14 am to
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You are all such clowns.
You're the one wearing makeup and a wig.
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 12:35 am to
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Fantasic watch and damn entertaining as well.


Oh that’s why “no proof” won’t answer any questions explaining how he thinks people become ill, or how these contagions are actually contracted and transmitted. He’d have to admit that he thinks “bioresonance communication” is a thing and that we actually get sick from our cycles syncing up when we are near other sick people. Or something like that…
Posted by Gaggle
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:11 am to
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Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:59 am to
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You can prove your physics. Thousands of times. Repeatedly. In experiments.

No we can’t. Prove gravity. Not that a dropped object falls, but WHY it falls. We can’t prove that. Science advances when a theory can be used to repeatedly predict the right results. There are many such things that can’t be proved, but we use them every day in engineering to build the things YOU confidently use and that make your life pleasant.

You are shown to be a hypocrite when you log onto TD to read this thread. The technology that produces the internet and, your computer, are built on unproved theories. The entire infrastructure is built on electrons moving about, but do we can’t prove what is the source of the charge of an electron any more than we can prove the source of gravity. Yet you use the internet, and you reach for that light switch at night, just as you travel across bridges secure in the belief that the science you doubt will cause the bridge to do its job.
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Posted by Gaggle
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Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 3:24 am to
I expanded on the post above, to which you responded (FYI).

Scientists have done these experiments to show the extremely faint attraction, between small objects. But all they show is that the force exists; we still only guess at why.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:23 am to
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You don’t know shite
What I find fascinating is the nitwit not only doesn't know, he doesn't double check information to prevent digging a deeper hole.

But his response to posts explaining infectious disease basics, or transmission studies with "TLDR" is illuminating. It's apparently how he approaches material he cites in general.

C4L may be on to it. The guy comes across as too scattered and unfocused for a chiro, but too defensive not to be eyeballs deep in some naturopathic/homeopathic field.


Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:38 am to
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”It absolutely sucks for managing /preventing chronic illness within a fee for service model (with a populace that is mismatched). The latter is the bigger threat that poses an existential threat to our country.”

You continually have no idea what you are talking about. Just shut up, we are ganging up on gaggle.


You are dead wrong here

https://www.cdc.gov/chronicdisease/resources/infographic/chronic-diseases.htm



Old infographic, 4.1 trillion at current site/pace



Perhaps spend less time posting, talking over people, bickering and do something about the root problems…

Doctor?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:48 am to
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It absolutely sucks for managing /preventing chronic illness within a fee for service model
Yikes!

Quoting the CDC for anything at this point is a damn dicey precept. That organization has zero credibility until proven otherwise.

But I'm curious. Could you define "absolutely sucks" in F4S compared with the socialist-communist systems you feel don't suck.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:58 am to
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Could you define "absolutely sucks"


Look up…

Not going to play the relative game. I do not claim to champion other systems. I have stated my view of the scope of the problem in this thread (we are mismatched for current, modern living).

The goal should be to improve the system. The focus and incentives for delivering preventative care are virtually nonexistent (in fee for services model)

In fairness, wellness and health should originate from the individual (I have emphasized this point in other threads). That is why I refer to the current medical model as sick care delivery system.
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 7:59 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:06 am to
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Look up…
Look up where?
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Not going to play the relative game.
Smart choice. But you included the fee-for-service premise, indicating causation.

Let's address the predicate though. How would you suggest the system improve so as to not "suck"
Posted by Jake88
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:10 am to
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and do something about the root problems…

Doctor
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In fairness, wellness and health should originate from the individual
Therefore it's not on the doctor. Free people will do what they want in a society of abundance.
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 8:11 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:14 am to
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The focus and incentives for delivering preventative care are virtually nonexistent (in fee for services model)
Ah, I missed this part.
Fee-for-service income is determined by fees allocated per service. That determination is largely made by CMS, NOT by the free market. It's why an internist can perform several H&Ps and be reimbursed the same as a Heart Surgeon performing a 6-hr CABG.

It's also why veterinary fees for herniated disk dog surgery (which actually are market driven), approach reimbursement levels for a neurosurgeon performing disk surgery on a human.
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 8:15 am
Posted by bamadontcare
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:17 am to
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drs" are? Are you sure, genius?


I’m positive frickstick.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:20 am to
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Therefore it's not on the doctor. Free people will do what they want in a society of abundance.


Quite the pickle indeed

Teaching restraint in a world of non-stop abundance is not easy (and an example of evolutionary mismatch)

Doctors first and foremost are teachers. There are some trying to leverage technology and SM to influence others (teaching them constructs for healthy lifestyle).

One of the infographics above is from the American College of lifestyle medicine. This is an entity within allopathic medicine trying to do just that…
Posted by Hognutz
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:26 am to
This exact objection is answered here starting @ 39:40 or so. If it's not the germ then you have to prove what it is...no, I don't, that's illogical.
LINK
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:26 am to
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I’m positive frickstick.
Is that like covid positive? Anyway, I'm sorry you're frickstick positive. Sounds bad.

There are a litany of MDs who post here. Nearly none "push the clotshot".
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