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re: Mark Levin on Tariffs
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Ive never said it didn't. However putting tariffs on imports will result in job losses.
I'm answering the original question about unilateral free trade.
You clearly aren't answering the original question. You're just saying it is bad to increase our tariffs to deal with it. I've yet to argue counter to that. I've even said multiple times I'm not for tariffs.
The question is how do we fix large discrepancies in tariffs on imports vs exports. If you don't have an answer, that is fine, but you've spent the last two pages trying to argue a point that has nothing to do with my question. I've already acknowledged you don't agree with how Trump is doing it.
What is your alternative?
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 12:01 pm
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Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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cheap imports which helps everyone.
Except to the guy working in the industry that China is undercutting and now is looking for a job because his industry just went the way of China.
Because American consumers want cheap Chinese product. Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:01 pm to CivilTiger83
The main issue with Trump's tariff policy is that isn't sustainable, our competitors no doubt can grasp that concept as well and with midterms and 2020 not too far away a lot of the pressure will be on Trump to make something happen. Not exactly the best way to negotiate better deals.
I think he is fighting this trade war on too many fronts, he should have focused on China. It is like he just decided to wing it with no real plan.
I think he is fighting this trade war on too many fronts, he should have focused on China. It is like he just decided to wing it with no real plan.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:01 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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However, we don't have free trade. Not even close.
correct. free trade is myth. all these countries have been using some form of protectionism for ages. cheap chinese goods are tough to compete with when people want them even if it hurts jobs here and even if some here are willing to pay more to keep jobs here. the rabbit hole in all of these trade dealings is not just deep but wide.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:06 pm to Fat Bastard
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correct. free trade is myth. all these countries have been using some form of protectionism for ages. cheap chinese goods are tough to compete with when people want them even if it hurts jobs here and even if some here are willing to pay more to keep jobs here. the rabbit hole in all of these trade dealings is not just deep but wide.
Yep. So let's circle back to my original question.
How do solve these discrepancies that harm US businesses?
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:08 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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You clearly aren't answering the original question
What in the frick???
Let me dumb this down
Bilateral tariff = worst
Unilateral tariffs = better
Bilateral tariff free trade = best
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:08 pm to Lg
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Except to the guy working in the industry that China is undercutting and now is looking for a job because his industry just went the way of China
What's better. Protecting an industry or protecting the economy?
If they're doing business now, how will that change?
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He's making an unreasonable gamble. I believe he folds rather quickly
What's the downside? Were we are now.
There is no downside.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:10 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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How do solve these discrepancies that harm US businesses?
Form trade alliances.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:14 pm to GumboPot
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What's the downside? Were we are now.
How much damage is done before he folds?
That's the real issue. We are already seeing it in AK
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:14 pm to dewster
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Everyone including Trump supports free and fair trade.
Libertarians object to it on principle, but that’s where their contributions end.
Agree.
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Democrats and RINOs hate it because it’s a Trump strategy and it pleases his rust belt base.
More importantly and specifically they want take tariffs of the negotiation table because they are lobbied with lots of money from Tom Donahue, President of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce who's members consists of U.S. based multi national companies with manufacturing overseas and want to sell those products back into the U.S. without tariffs.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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What in the frick???
Let me dumb this down
Bilateral tariff = worst
Unilateral tariffs = better
Bilateral tariff free trade = best
You may want to dumb it down for yourself. I've yet to argue differently and this doesn't answer my question.
My question was we are currently here:
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Unilateral tariffs
so how do we improve this?
You've yet to give one recommendation or alternative to improve it. If you don't have an answer, that is fine. Just stop wasting my time.
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:17 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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How do solve these discrepancies that harm US businesses?
great question. canada is our 2nd largest trading partner. we both have energy, manufacturing and agribusiness. they also are our smallest goods deficit at 18 billion roughly. I know we have NAFTA but Mexico can still make shite cheap also. I'd get a better deal with canada and form a conglomerate for trading with them. or at least try? can we do that with china holding much of our debt? Do we punish companies here that manufacture in china? would the people go for that? or would the people demand cheap chinese goods? would they pay more for american goods and keep jobs here? work shite out with euros also if possible but mainly canada. both of us less reliant on china. But can that be done?
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:17 pm to GumboPot
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More importantly and specifically they want take tariffs of the negotiation table
Are you under the impression that tariffs will be a net benefit? The last two failed, why is this more widespread tariff better?
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:18 pm to GumboPot
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consists of U.S. based multi national companies with manufacturing overseas and want to sell those products back into the U.S. without tariffs.
yup
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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How do solve these discrepancies that harm US businesses?
Form trade alliances.
Jesus christ this took your three pages to finally offer up an answer.
I believe Trump is meeting with the EU to do this very thing. I agree this would be great. If they refuse, are there any other alternatives?
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:19 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Jesus christ this took your three pages to finally offer up an answer.
This has been mentioned numerous times in this thread.
But nooo... you need gubment to save you here
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believe Trump is meeting with the EU to do this very thing. I agree this would be great. If they refuse, are there any other alternatives?
I believe he's already alienated the Europeans, and the Japanese...
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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This has been mentioned numerous times in this thread.
Show me once since my question where anyone has answered it until you by saying a trade alliance.
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But nooo... you need gubment to save you here
I've yet to argue once for this. Stop projecting just because you wasted three pages of this thread arguing something I wasn't even arguing against. I've yet to argue raising our tariffs is good for us. Stop acting like I have.
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believe Trump is meeting with the EU to do this very thing. I agree this would be great. If they refuse, are there any other alternatives? I believe he's already alienated the Europeans, and the Japanese...
You really suck at answering questions that are asked. So, no there aren't any other alternatives? That's fine if there aren't. It is a general question. Are our only alternatives to unilateral and unfair tariff discrepancies trade alliances or just dealing with it?
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:23 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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I've yet to argue once for this
It's exactly what you're doing. You'll gladly sacrifice the economy for a widget maker
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I've yet to argue raising our tariffs is good for us. Stop acting like I have.
Then wtf is your point?
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:25 pm to GumboPot
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What's the downside? Were we are now.
There is no downside.
There is tremendous downside to rural America in places like the Upper Midwest if this drags out.
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