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re: Marjorie Taylor Greene says they can control the weather

Posted on 10/8/24 at 8:07 am to
Posted by Lizardman2
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 10/8/24 at 8:07 am to
Any of you dumbasses that think cloud seeding is unfounded only have to Google search it and read.

Stop being dense for Christ's sake.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 10/8/24 at 8:40 am to
Cloud seeding is a long way off from creating & controlling hurricanes
Posted by ole man
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Posted on 10/8/24 at 8:44 am to
Keep believing that shite dude
Posted by Wtodd
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 10/8/24 at 8:52 am to
quote:

United Nations (UN) treaties prohibit using weather modification to kill or maim people. Modifying weather to cause injury or death is outlawed.


Defense.Gov

Just sayin
Posted by Seldom Seen
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Posted on 10/8/24 at 9:06 am to
Posted by Statestreet
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Posted on 10/8/24 at 9:22 am to
quote:


Cloud seeding is a long way off from creating & controlling hurricanes


"Covid wasn't created in a lab as a bioweapon, that's just ridiculous. It was likely formed when a webbed footed pangolin humped a Malaysian long winged bat that was then eaten by a fish and ended up in a Chinese Wet market" the left

Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28135 posts
Posted on 10/8/24 at 9:22 am to
quote:

What she's saying is technically true.


I think "influence" is a lot more accurate than control, but even if what she said is technically accurate the context makes it very, very suspect. She's trying to imply something about Helene and everybody knows it.

A lot of what Tim Walz said about his military service was technically accurate, but we all know what he was trying to do.
Posted by LookSquirrel
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Posted on 10/8/24 at 9:28 am to
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 10/8/24 at 9:37 am to
quote:

"Covid wasn't created in a lab as a bioweapon, that's just ridiculous. It was likely formed when a webbed footed pangolin humped a Malaysian long winged bat that was then eaten by a fish and ended up in a Chinese Wet market" the left



Feel better?
Posted by Mr. Blutarski
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/8/24 at 10:25 am to
You're such a fool.
Posted by LookSquirrel
Old Millville
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 10/8/24 at 10:30 am to
Oopsie...

Project Cirrus was the first attempt to modify a hurricane in 1947.

An airplane flew along the “rainbands” of a hurricane, and dropped 80 pounds (36 kilograms) of crushed dry ice into the clouds in an attempt to redirect a storm off the coast of Florida, only to artificially redirect it to demolish parts of Georgia.

While there is little public proof that a hurricane can be “created”, Project Cirrus proved that a hurricane can be “redirected”.

Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
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Posted on 10/8/24 at 10:42 am to
You seriously think 180 pounds of dry ice redirected a hurricane?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28135 posts
Posted on 10/8/24 at 10:48 am to
quote:

You seriously think 180 pounds of dry ice redirected a hurricane?


I get that not everybody takes thermodynamics in school, but damn.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
21906 posts
Posted on 10/8/24 at 10:57 am to
This part of the GP article is definitely misleading/ disingenuous:

quote:



While there is little public proof that a hurricane can be “created”, Project Cirrus proved that a hurricane can be “redirected”.

. . .

Nobel Prize winning Scientist Irving Langmuir argued that Project Cirrus’s cloud seeding had caused the storm’s change in direction.


They link to this article Earth magazine: Benchmarks: October 13, 1947: A disaster with Project Cirrusand claim it provides proof that Project Cirrus was the cause of the storms redirection.

The article actually itself stated that people assumed it had, whereas research conducted since has proved undoubtedly that it wasn’t the cause of the change in direction:

quote:

What was conclusive, however, was that the storm had taken a sudden westward turn and made landfall just outside of Savannah, Ga.

To the average person, it looked like Project Cirrus was to blame. Time magazine reported, “In Savannah last week, Southern blood bubbled toward the boiling point. A Miami weatherman had hinted that last month’s disastrous hurricane might have been not an act of God, but just a low Yankee trick.” Fearing lawsuits, GE pulled its support of the project. But before any legal actions could be carried out, other meteorologists pointed out that previous hurricanes had taken nearly identical paths.

Later investigations that showed the storm had begun its westward turn before the cloud seeding took place fully cleared Project Cirrus of any liability. In fact, recent studies on the amount of power unleashed by a hurricane make the attempt to modify one with only 80 kilograms of dry ice appear laughable. Bob Sheets, former director of the National Hurricane Center in Miami, wrote in his book “Hurricane Watch” that the heat energy a hurricane releases each day can be compared to the energy released by 400 20-megaton hydrogen bombs. However, such research is only a few years old, so it could not be used in defense of the failed attempt by Project Cirrus.


No link provided to Langmuir’s arguments.

Of course that was almost 80 years ago and the other info re China weaponizing it and the UN outlawing it would seem to indicate that advancements have been made in this field since then.
This post was edited on 10/8/24 at 11:00 am
Posted by LookSquirrel
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Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 10/8/24 at 10:59 am to
quote:

You seriously think 180 pounds of dry ice redirected a hurricane?


It isn't about "believing" it, or not. More about "knowing" there is a history that suggests it's very possible/

quote:

Project Cirrus was the first attempt to modify a hurricane. It was a collaboration of the General Electric Corporation, the US Army Signal Corps, the Office of Naval Research, and the US Air Force.

After several preparations, and initial skepticism by government scientists, the first attempt to modify a hurricane began on October 13, 1947 on a hurricane that was heading west to east and out to sea. An airplane flew along the rainbands of the hurricane, and dropped nearly 80 pounds (36 kilograms) of crushed dry ice into the clouds.

The crew reported “Pronounced modification of the cloud deck seeded”. It is not known if that was due to the seeding. Next, the hurricane changed direction and made landfall near Savannah, Georgia. The public blamed the seeding, and Irving Langmuir claimed that the reversal had been caused by human intervention.



Project Cirrus Crew

The Blackvault
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Member since Mar 2010
26833 posts
Posted on 10/8/24 at 12:35 pm to
quote:

They link to this article Earth magazine: Benchmarks: October 13, 1947: A disaster with Project Cirrusand claim it provides proof that Project Cirrus was the cause of the storms redirection.

The article actually itself stated that people assumed it had, whereas research conducted since has proved undoubtedly that it wasn’t the cause of the change in direction:


That is the sort of thing Gateway Pundit always does. They see something conflicting with their narrative and ignore it all the while using other pieces of the same source to accomplish their goal.

The technology was so bad back then, they had no idea what was typical behavior of hurricanes so if they changed after dropping dry ice in it, they thought it was them altering things rather than it being something hurricanes typically do on their own.

We see it all the time today. Hurricanes can lose their eyewall and reform a new one. Back then, they thought it was the cloud seeding doing that.
Posted by Figgy
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Member since May 2020
10346 posts
Posted on 10/8/24 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

An airplane flew along the “rainbands” of a hurricane, and dropped 80 pounds (36 kilograms) of crushed dry ice into the clouds in an attempt to redirect a storm off the coast of Florida, only to artificially redirect it to demolish parts of Georgia.



Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
21906 posts
Posted on 10/8/24 at 12:47 pm to
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28135 posts
Posted on 10/8/24 at 12:49 pm to
quote:

More about "knowing" there is a history that suggests it's very possible/


The history suggests no such thing. All the history tells you is that someone attempted it. People attempted alchemy for centuries.
Posted by LookSquirrel
Old Millville
Member since Oct 2019
7662 posts
Posted on 10/8/24 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

People attempted alchemy for centuries.


With any success?

I know I should just let this thread die because we will be on to Milton soon enough. And something else after that.

This genie is not going back into that cloudy bottle.
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