re: Marine Corps Times - First female infantry Marines joining battalion on Thursday

foget it he ain't as dumb as you. well maybe....

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Just wanted to drop in and say that women are physically and mentally weaker than men when it comes to many jobs in the military... especially infantry.

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Says the guy with Lagertha Lothbrook as his avatar.

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Agreed. Look at the pics I posted. I don't think we can put the genie back in the bottle tho.

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What about them. They are from boot camp so it's nothing out of the ordinary.

The campaign hats are the the obvious give away that's not infratry school.

The only argument I've seen FOR women in the military is that somehow out of a country of 300 million people with a male population of approximately 150 million people we don't have enough to men to man a military for a country that has no natural enemies along its border.

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The culture in the Marine Corps is pretty effective and it doesn't need to be fricked with by having females in the Infantry battalions.

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People are ignorant and/or kidding themselves. I simply can not fathom the added stress upon a platoon of my 0311 Marines had they been integrated in a volatile combat situation.

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Having WM 0300s will probably collapse of its own weight.

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How do you think that's gonna happen?

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Having WM 0300s will probably collapse of its own weight.

How do you think that's gonna happen?

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They won't hack it physically.



By Capt Katie Petronio

Originally posted in the July 2012 issue of the Marine Corps Gazette. We reposted the article here so that our readers have yet another venue to weigh in on this hot topic.

Get Over It! We Are Not All Created Equal

As a young lieutenant, I fit the mold of a female who would have had a shot at completing IOC, and I am sure there was a time in my life where I would have volunteered to be an infantryman. I was a star ice hockey player at Bowdoin College, a small elite college in Maine, with a major in government and law. At 5 feet 3 inches I was squatting 200 pounds and benching 145 pounds when I graduated in 2007. I completed Officer Candidates School (OCS) ranked 4 of 52 candidates, graduated 48 of 261 from TBS, and finished second at MOS school. I also repeatedly scored far above average in all female-based physical fitness tests (for example, earning a 292 out of 300 on the Marine physical fitness test). Five years later, I am physically not the woman I once was and my views have greatly changed on the possibility of women having successful long careers while serving in the infantry. I can say from firsthand experience in Iraq and Afghanistan, and not just emotion, that we haven’t even begun to analyze and comprehend the gender-specific medical issues and overall physical toll continuous combat operations will have on females.

I was a motivated, resilient second lieutenant when I deployed to Iraq for 10 months, traveling across the Marine area of operations (AO) and participating in numerous combat operations. Yet, due to the excessive amount of time I spent in full combat load, I was diagnosed with a severe case of restless leg syndrome. My spine had compressed on nerves in my lower back causing neuropathy which compounded the symptoms of restless leg syndrome. While this injury has certainly not been enjoyable, Iraq was a pleasant experience compared to the experiences I endured during my deployment to Afghanistan. At the beginning of my tour in Helmand Province, I was physically capable of conducting combat operations for weeks at a time, remaining in my gear for days if necessary and averaging 16-hour days of engineering operations in the heart of Sangin, one of the most kinetic and challenging AOs in the country. There were numerous occasions where I was sent to a grid coordinate and told to build a PB from the ground up, serving not only as the mission commander but also the base commander until the occupants (infantry units) arrived 5 days later. In most of these situations, I had a sergeant as my assistant commander, and the remainder of my platoon consisted of young, motivated NCOs. I was the senior Marine making the final decisions on construction concerns, along with 24-hour base defense and leading 30 Marines at any given time. The physical strain of enduring combat operations and the stress of being responsible for the lives and well-being of such a young group in an extremely kinetic environment were compounded by lack of sleep, which ultimately took a physical toll on my body that I couldn’t have foreseen.


By the fifth month into the deployment, I had muscle atrophy in my thighs that was causing me to constantly trip and my legs to buckle with the slightest grade change. My agility during firefights and mobility on and off vehicles and perimeter walls was seriously hindering my response time and overall capability. It was evident that stress and muscular deterioration was affecting everyone regardless of gender; however, the rate of my deterioration was noticeably faster than that of male Marines and further compounded by gender-specific medical conditions."

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Can you imagine what those camel frickers will do with the first one they capture alive?

I hope they train them to off themselves before getting captured in a sand country.

What did I say that was wrong?