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Posted on 4/23/17 at 12:55 am to AU66
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ve watched the critical emergency of the ozone hole not be as much of an emergency as thought,
Thats because we took action to stop and reverse it.....
Posted on 4/23/17 at 12:56 am to Tyrusrex
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Okay you are king of US. What would you do to fix 'Climate Change'? Be specific.
Here's one.
LINK
I have not read much about a Carbon Tax, but someone please tell me how it is supposed to fix Climate Change. The producers of the carbon emissions are charged a tax that they pass on to the consumer. The companies are not negatively affected in that way so they do not reduce emissions, and the consumer pays for it through increase costs of energy, goods, and transportation of those goods. Is that really the plan?
Posted on 4/23/17 at 2:15 am to Terry the Tiger
It punishes companies that waste carbon by making carbon use more expensive. It also rewards companies that come up with innovative reductions of carbon (hence the free market/conservative solution). It's supposed to be consumer neutral because anything collected from the tax is supposed to be passed back to consumers through tax breaks.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 5:15 am to Tyrusrex
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Do you know how we survived the hole in the ozone layer and acid rain? Science.
A quote from one of the articles:
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Their discovery made big news and galvanized Americans. Aerosol sales plummeted, as millions of consumers switched to pump sprays and roll-ons. Some companies quickly redesigned their products. But others dug in. For more than a decade, the chemical companies that made CFCs reacted much like today’s coal and oil companies: They denied the science, attacked the scientists, and predicted economic ruin.
When the government banned CFC's, all manufacturers had to do was switch to an alternative. Freon was replaced in air conditioning and CFC's were eliminated from aerosol cans. Consumers didn't miss a beat. The only difference is our car AC's aren't quite as cold as they were in the good old days, but they still get the job done OK.
However, millions of consumers cannot simply "switch" away from fossil fuels. There is no alternative. Tesla is the only company making electric cars and they are far more expensive and less reliable than the alternative. And leftists are against nuclear power which in itself would go a long way to massively reduce carbon emissions.
A carbon tax will solve absolutely nothing. It might help to nudge these companies to move to a new technology if there WAS another technology, but there's not. Electric cars are lacking (battery tech just isn't there yet). Solar panels and wind power are both jokes. The only real solution RIGHT NOW is nuclear power, but the left simply will not get on board with that.
So considering all this, what will a carbon tax accomplish? Do you really think it's going to hurt the bottom line of Exxon Mobile? All it's going to do is hurt the working class and poor who cannot afford $10 a gallon gas. The fat cats in Washington (you know the limousine liberals) will continue to drive their SUV's and fly in their private jets. Mark Zuckerberg will continue to hang out in his Hawaiian mansion that takes up hundreds of acres and has a border fence.
And I am skeptical that a dividend will ever be part of the carbon tax. The libs will never get on board with consumers getting any tax money back (they want the tax money to expand the size of government).
Posted on 4/23/17 at 5:33 am to Tyrusrex
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The entire March for Science is a disaster for Republicans, Conservatives, and Trump.
Most Americans don't even know it happened.
Marches happen so much that people don't even pay attention anymore. Gay, Climate, Police, BLM, Trump...the left is fast becoming trite and don't even realize it.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 5:40 am to Tyrusrex
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It's funny you think the opposition to vaccines comes from the Right.
Well Trump questions the safety of vaccinations.
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Gee. Appears as if there is an awful lot of scientists that think Vaccines can be harmful. Are you denying science?
Barbara Loe Fisher of the National Vaccine Information Center says there are real problems, but many doctors are in denial. She said, "It can't be true -- because how, how, could they possibly really live with the idea that something that they try to do that was good - has turned out to be bad for a lot of people."
Now a June survey of more than 10,000 families suggests the problems are more than speculative.
It found teenage boys vaccinated as children were:
Twice as likely to suffer from autism
Four times as likely to have Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder
And boys and girls of all ages - vaccinated as children - were more than twice as likely to have developed asthma.
Nobody knows for sure. Are you going to take a chance with your child?
Posted on 4/23/17 at 5:41 am to Tyrusrex
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Do you know how we survived the hole in the ozone layer and acid rain? Science.
Wasn't it the advances that were made by science that caused those things in the first place?
Posted on 4/23/17 at 5:48 am to AU66
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Im no scientist but have now lived over fifty years and you learn stuff just from being around, i remember watching a film in school about alternative energy sources because we would be out of oil by the year 2000, ive watched the critical emergency of the ozone hole not be as much of an emergency as thought, and remember the forcasted oncoming global ice age from the seventies.. forgive me if i dont always trust science.
I was told that science was going to eliminate huger in the world. Their solution? they were going to give cows, chickens, etc hormones and steroids to increase their size.
Science is a wonderful thing. We have seen great things come from science. However, what a lot of people are not realizing or accepting, is a lot of the problems we face today are a direct result of what science has done. One branch of science creates a problem and another runs around claiming they solved, or are working on the problem they created.
Science is the reason we had Freon, aerosol cans, chemicals in our meat. Science enabled us to have the industrialization that the left, and now science wants to blame Global Warming for. Science is why we have pollution in our cities.
As I said, science is a wonderful thing, but lets not try to pretend that science is the do all, be all.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 7:37 am to AUstar
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Freon was replaced in air conditioning
quote:Ever wonder why it cost so much more now to have your AC repaired?The consumer took it on the chin to replace freon with R22 and R34A.
Central-air freon prices soar as R-22 refrigerant is being phased out
Posted on 4/23/17 at 7:57 am to Tyrusrex
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Well Trump questions the safety of vaccinations
He does, but Trump is not really a conservative. There are lists of well known people from the left who oppose them.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 8:08 am to Tyrusrex
Here I was thinking that a lot of science was about questioning things and learning about them through questioning.
So here you have the left being anti-science and trying to crush inquiry and investigation much in the way they've done to freedom of speech.
So here you have the left being anti-science and trying to crush inquiry and investigation much in the way they've done to freedom of speech.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 8:42 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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It's the old strategy, you shift the pendulum to one side and act like you're under attack...
So people say "jesus christ, what kind of country am I living in, science is under attack?"
I see what you are saying...good point...kind of like "Make America Great Again" so people will say "Jesus christ....what kind of country isn't great?"
Posted on 4/23/17 at 9:49 am to Terry the Tiger
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I have not read much about a Carbon Tax, but someone please tell me how it is supposed to fix Climate Change. The producers of the carbon emissions are charged a tax that they pass on to the consumer. The companies are not negatively affected in that way so they do not reduce emissions, and the consumer pays for it through increase costs of energy, goods, and transportation of those goods. Is that really the plan?
It isn't.
The purpose of the tax is to essentially redistribute wealth and make icons to the poster you replied to like Al Gore wealthier than he already is.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 10:32 am to Tyrusrex
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Did We Really Save the Ozone Layer?
Guest Blogger / October 26, 2015
Guest essay by Steve Goreham
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Another year has passed and that stubborn Ozone Hole over Antarctica refuses to go away. Data from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) shows that the Ozone Hole for the fall maximum season grew 22 percent from 2014 to 2015. World consumption of Ozone Depleting Substances has been reduced to zero over the last three decades, but the Ozone Hole is as large as ever. Did humans really save the ozone layer?
In 1974, Dr. Mario Molina and Dr. Sherwood Roland of the University of California published a paper asserting that chlorofluorocarbon (CFC) pollution from industry was destroying the ozone layer in Earth’s stratosphere. CFCs were gases used in hair spray, refrigerators, and insulating foams. The ozone layer is a layer of atmosphere located between 6 and 25 miles above the Earth’s surface.
The theory of Molina and Roland postulated that human-produced CFCs migrate upward through the atmosphere to the stratosphere, where ultraviolet radiation breaks down CFC molecules, releasing chlorine atoms. Chlorine then reacts as a catalyst to break down ozone molecules into oxygen, reducing the ozone concentration. The more CFCs used, the greater the destruction of the ozone layer, according to the theory.
In 1983, three researchers from the British Antarctic Survey discovered at thinning of the ozone layer over Antarctica, which became known as the Ozone Hole. Their observations appeared to confirm the theory of Molina and Roland. Molina and Roland were awarded a Noble Prize in chemistry in 1995 for their work.
The Ozone Layer is known to block ultraviolet rays, shielding the surface of Earth from high-energy radiation. Scientists were concerned that degradation of the ozone layer would increase rates of skin cancer and cataracts and cause immune system problems in humans. Former Vice President Al Gore’s 1992 book claimed that hunters reported finding blind rabbits in Patagonia and that fishermen were catching blind fish due to human destruction of the ozone layer, but this has not been confirmed.
In an effort to save the ozone layer, 29 nations and the European Community signed the Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer in September of 1987. Over the next decade, the Protocol was universally signed by 197 nations, agreeing to ban the use of CFCs. Since 1986, world consumption of Ozone Depleting Substances (ODS) is down more than 99 percent, effectively reaching zero by 2010.
The Montreal Protocol has been hailed as an international success in resolving a major environmental issue. The Protocol has been praised as an example to follow for elimination of greenhouse gas emissions in the fight to halt global warming. But despite the elimination of CFCs, the Ozone Hole remains as large as ever.
During September to October, just after the Antarctic winter, the Ozone Hole is the largest for each year. NASA recently reported that from September 7 through October 13, 2015, the Ozone Hole reached a mean area of 25.6 million kilometers, the largest area since 2006 and the fourth largest since measurements began in 1979. The hole remains large, despite the fact that world ODS consumption all but disappeared about a decade ago.
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Scientists are mixed on when the stubborn Ozone Hole will disappear. NASA recently announced that the hole will be half-closed by 2020. Others forecast that it will not begin to disappear until 2040 or later. But the longer the hole persists, the greater the likelihood that the ozone layer is dominated by natural factors, not human CFC emissions.. But the longer the hole persists, the greater the likelihood that the ozone layer is dominated by natural factors, not human CFC emissions.
Originally published in Communities Digital News.
Steve Goreham is Executive Director of the Climate Science Coalition of America and author of the book The Mad, Mad, Mad World of Climatism: Mankind and Climate Change Mania.
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are we really sure the montreal accords did anything?
Posted on 4/23/17 at 10:59 am to Skip Winkman
The "scientists " involved are just afraid their funding for "research" will be cut. The rest are just SJW people and college kids marching for extra credit.
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