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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID

Posted on 3/3/14 at 7:58 pm to
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 7:58 pm to
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You've said that. But you have not a scintilla of evidence to establish it as fact or not. That is the problem.


bullshite.

The verbatim transcript of what was said is evidence that establishes what I said is correct.

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You have no idea whatsoever whether they did or not. The outcome, and the video, imply they didn't. Does that limited evidence prove police negligence or worse? No it doesn't.

But, your varied bizarre protestations notwithstanding, the video and outcome sure as hell are not exculpatory.


The video and the verbatim transcript are evidence that proves they did exactly what they should have done but you'll never admit it because you just want to hang a cop, any cop.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:02 pm to
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What difference does that make, these officers should be commended for taking another murderer off the street.

Did I do that right, Dawgbreath?



Yes, you did what was absolutely right to prove that you are an a-hole.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:05 pm to
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I'm sure there's people who feel that because this guy was emotional (who wouldn't be) over his wife and daughter and resisted showing ID, that he's thuggish and was a detriment to society.


Not me.

I just think he made a big mistake that cost him his life by not fully cooperating with the police even if he was emotional over his wife and daughter.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:07 pm to
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The only problem with your little story is the GW who asked him for his ID knew the story and knew he wasn't involved. Th game wardene in fact had been at the theatre all along doing security.


Did the GW actually see who hit the daughter?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135613 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:08 pm to
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you just want to hang a cop, any cop.
Weirdness.
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The verbatim transcript of what was said
What?
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The video and the verbatim transcript are evidence that proves they did exactly what they should have done
All the video proves is the deceased appeared unconscious, with severely discolored facies, appeared dangerously apneic, and one of the policemen was actively trying to interrupt the videorecording.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:09 pm to
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The father told them before he was attacked that the mother hit the daughter.


Not according to the verbatim transcript.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:10 pm to
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All the video proves is the deceased appeared unconscious, with severely discolored facies, appeared dangerously apneic, and one of the policemen was actively trying to interrupt the videorecording.


The video proves a lot more than that but like I said, you just want to hang a cop, any cop.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135613 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:11 pm to
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Not according to the verbatim transcript.
What is it you think you're talking about?
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
37967 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:11 pm to
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It's the man's fault for accidentally dying?




Yes.


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he made the choice not to cooperate and walk away which forced the police to use superior physical force in order to restrain and subdue him.
I'm just thankful that NOBODY in this thread agrees with you.
The sad part is, the law probably does agree with you. And yet in early July, Americans will obliviously wave their little flags and eat their hot dogs, watch fireworks and sing hymns of freedom and liberty.

Disgusting.
Posted by NHTIGER
Central New Hampshire
Member since Nov 2003
16188 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:11 pm to
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Not according to the verbatim transcript.



Which can be read here:

(note - two pages)

LINK
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
37967 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:12 pm to
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What difference does that make, these officers should be commended for taking another murderer off the street.

Did I do that right, Dawgbreath?





Yes, you did what was absolutely right to prove that you are an a-hole.
I'd be an a-hole over a Fascist every time.
Posted by Zamoro10
Member since Jul 2008
14743 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:13 pm to
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Their job is to protect and serve the people.

However, it is the responsibility and duty of the people to fully cooperate with the police if they are stopped for whatever reason and asked to show their ID even if they have done nothing wrong.


Cops don't protect anyone from shite.

And the only thing they serve is their own agenda.

People are robbed, raped and murdered everyday in this country.

Cops come in after the fact - and like to harass everyday citizens over b.s. - because lets face it...it's why you have 10 Cop cars showing up to Bieber's house over a noise complaint - and one cop car showing up in Long Beach over a shooting.

Cops are over-agressive, lazy, do anything to save their own skin including shooting dogs and basically spend their day being tough guys to regular citizens...while they stay away from actual criminals who might kill them.

The Brits have consent and will of the people - their cops work hand in hand with the people who trust them and are treated fairly and as a "SERVANT" of the people!!!

In America, the Cops are trained to think they're the "BULLY/KING of the people!!!!"

Give a cop a badge in England and "they try to help."

Give a cop a badge in America and he thinks he's just been elected Pope/President/Master Slaver - Above the Law.
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 8:14 pm
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
37967 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:17 pm to
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Cops don't protect anyone from shite.

And the only thing they serve is their own agenda.

People are robbed, raped and murdered everyday in this country.
This.

Why aren't these pussies out chasing real criminals? Oh, that's right...they're pussies.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:19 pm to
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Cops don't protect anyone from shite.

And the only thing they serve is their own agenda.

People are robbed, raped and murdered everyday in this country.

Cops come in after the fact


bullshite.

Cops protect a lot of innocent people by apprehending violent wanted criminals and taking them off the streets so they can't violently victimize more innocent people.

Geez, grow up!!!
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135613 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:22 pm to
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quote:

Not according to the verbatim transcript.
Which can be read here
Except that transcript includes not a word spoken by the deceased. Not one word. Why? because he was apparently unconscious at that point.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
11463 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:23 pm to
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I'm just thankful that NOBODY in this thread agrees with you.

That is the silver lining here. Dawgfan and his "oh so mature" ilk will eventually die off and maybe meaningful police reform could finally begin.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:24 pm to
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DawgfaninCa



Look, you are a thug cop. I know hundreds of guys like you. You are a dime a dozen punk who couldn't find a legitimate job so you grabbed that government tit with both lips as hard as you could and are hanging on for dear life. It isn't totally your fault. Your government(s) look for poor suckers like you with low self esteem, disinclined to improve yourself and with virtually no hope of asserting your manhood on the normal population without the assistance of a judicial system to back your anti social tendencies. Really, your just serving your master because your master gives you the reassurance that feeding him is moral, and that the ends justify the means. As a favor to your kind, he rarely feeds on you and your associates. I mean, why bite the hand that feeds? Right?

In exchange your kind are a pariah among the gen pop "civvies". You are begrudgingly given your 10% discounts at fast food restaurants, after showing your badge when off duty (uncomfortable to say the least) because nobody wants to tempt the beast. You walk the isles at gun shows and pawn shops with your ridiculous 1940's airborne paratrooper haircuts and strike up conversation with war veterans, as though your "battle for the streets" in suburban America is symbolically or otherwise related in any way to the realities of combat on foreign soil. Even the soldiers hate you though. They remember that they are food for you just like anyone else. They laugh at your selective enforcement, particularly when you make stupid claims like "there are no small laws" and "breaking the law is breaking the law". They know your kind don't venture into high risk neighborhoods unless you absolutely must. Meanwhile they adhere to an ROE that dwarfs the restriction you have on our native soil, all while facing threats that would literally stain your underwear. You aren't interested in "enforcing the law" unless you can do so at relatively little risk to yourself. You don't go toe to toe with hardened criminals, unless by accident of course. When the occasion arises, you cower in fear as is documented time and time again through the annals of crime history. You find it easier to gang tackle and crush people to death in parking lot of a movie theater, or taze pregnant women in their cars, or shoot at newspaper delivery ladies, or even kill schizophrenic bums. You always justify it by making erroneous claims like "he is required to show proper ID, or be detained" (not true, of course).

I know that you try to push these realities out of your mind, but every time you do it makes you more and more self conscious about how weak your resolve is in the face of a real threat. That feeling creates a need to turn the routine into a "potential threat", a scenario that allows you to feel as though you are bravely doing your duty in the face of grave danger on a regular basis. An emotional father dealing with a family crises is processed in your tiny, weak brain as a possible "dangerous criminal" on the basis that he didn't yield his ID (not required by law). You know that simply asking his name would have gotten you the result needed to sort out the situation, but that leaves little room for the assertion of your dominance, doesn't it? Without some silly escalation, your just a guy walking the streets doing a routine job. Your kind have utilized every trick in the book for escalating the routine to keep the truth at bay. You are weak.

There are a few among you who perform their jobs with respect for the people they are intended (and paid) to serve. They are heroes in my mind. You, are not one of them despite your 10% discounts and sweet deals you get on oakley sunglasses. When I see one your betters wearing the uniform, I make it a point to compliment them and thank them for performing at such an admirable level (I actually found one yesterday, and did exactly that).

I don't know what really happened in the case in question in this thread. I can make an educated guess after decades of interaction with police officers and the facts that have been published thus far. Unfortunately, I think there is little hope that the results of the actions of the policemen in question will be justified, or that they will ever see a day in court.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:25 pm to
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Cops are over-agressive, lazy, do anything to save their own skin including shooting dogs and basically spend their day being tough guys to regular citizens...while they stay away from actual criminals who might kill them.

The Brits have consent and will of the people - their cops work hand in hand with the people who trust them and are treated fairly and as a "SERVANT" of the people!!!

In America, the Cops are trained to think they're the "BULLY/KING of the people!!!!"

Give a cop a badge in England and "they try to help."

Give a cop a badge in America and he thinks he's just been elected Pope/President/Master Slaver - Above the Law.



It sounds to me like you have a serious psychological problem with male authority figures.

I suggest that you see a doctor about it.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
74292 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:29 pm to
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I just think he made a big mistake that cost him his life by not fully cooperating with the police even if he was emotional over his wife and daughter.


That is way to open ended. JMO.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:29 pm to
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Look, you are a thug cop. I know hundreds of guys like you. You are a dime a dozen punk who couldn't find a legitimate job so you grabbed that government tit...blah, blah, blah...



Hey moron, I've been self-employed as a designer/jeweler for over forty years.
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