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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:24 pm to Projectpat
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:24 pm to Projectpat
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It's an unfortunate tragedy that was brought on by the actions of the wife. There are consequences to actions.
Consequences, like getting murdered? You're a real piece of shite.
Sadly, there's probably a sizable part of the population who thinks like that. Old habits die hard
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Okay I will put it out there first that I am a cop. I don't make any excuses for the guys in this death. I will say this. Our department makes pretty good money so we get decent people to apply for the job. Over the last few years we have hired a lot of college grads. I know that doesn't make them good cops but I can tell you that most of them are not on a power trip. As a matter of fact they are almost the opposite of being power hungry.
Now I interact with a lot of other agencies across the area and I can tell you that I see guys like this all the time. Not making excuses but what do you expect from a city only able to pay their cops 25k a year? Probably not going to get top candidates. Those people go to the departments that pay 55k a year. Its just a fact of life. Not saying we don't have those types where I work but they are far and few between.
Now I interact with a lot of other agencies across the area and I can tell you that I see guys like this all the time. Not making excuses but what do you expect from a city only able to pay their cops 25k a year? Probably not going to get top candidates. Those people go to the departments that pay 55k a year. Its just a fact of life. Not saying we don't have those types where I work but they are far and few between.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:46 pm to North Texas Tiger
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Okay I will put it out there first that I am a cop. I don't make any excuses for the guys in this death. I will say this. Our department makes pretty good money so we get decent people to apply for the job. Over the last few years we have hired a lot of college grads. I know that doesn't make them good cops but I can tell you that most of them are not on a power trip. As a matter of fact they are almost the opposite of being power hungry.
Now I interact with a lot of other agencies across the area and I can tell you that I see guys like this all the time. Not making excuses but what do you expect from a city only able to pay their cops 25k a year? Probably not going to get top candidates. Those people go to the departments that pay 55k a year. Its just a fact of life. Not saying we don't have those types where I work but they are far and few between.
Our local PD is pretty decent. Starting pay is 60k and they get applicants from all over the country. I guess if you can be choosy, you get better personnel.
They had some temporary transfers down from Anchorage a few years back, and you could tell the difference.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Our local PD is pretty decent. Starting pay is 60k and they get applicants from all over the country. I guess if you can be choosy, you get better personnel. They had some temporary transfers down from Anchorage a few years back, and you could tell the difference.
Yeah its been my experience that the higher paid departments get the better applicants. We have some small departments around us and I wouldn't let those guys mow my grass. I just hate seeing everyone with their "I hate cops!!" attitude over the actions of morons that shouldn't even be cops. There are a lot of us out there that do the job for the right reason.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 4:50 am to North Texas Tiger
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North Texas Tiger
Thank you, There was also an article about the chief of police for Salt Lake City that was encouraging. I wouldn't know how to find it or link it. There are cops that post here that you cringe knowing that they are cops.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 6:24 am to North Texas Tiger
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I just hate seeing everyone with their "I hate cops!!" attitude over the actions of morons that shouldn't even be cops.
As scruffy said earlier in the thread...it wouldgo along way to help thegood cops if you guys publicly denounce the bad ones.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 6:48 am to SammyTiger
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It's an unfortunate tragedy that was brought on by the actions of the wife. There are consequences to actions
When those consequences mean possible death don't you think we should be careful to put people of the utmost professionalism at helm? Then if they make a mistake have them held to a higher standard than the normal citizen being that their actions possibly hold the lives of others in their hands?
Any other profession that is in charge of protecting human life is held to a higher degree, and if negligence is used then the consequences are severe. Yet we seem to hear these stories about cops on a daily basis with them getting off with nothing but a slap on the wrist.
Do you not see anything wrong with that?
This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 7:39 am
Posted on 2/27/14 at 6:51 am to North Texas Tiger
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I just hate seeing everyone with their "I hate cops!!" attitude over the actions of morons that shouldn't even be cops. There are a lot of us out there that do the job for the right reason.
I just hate seeing innocent people beaten or murdered, wrong houses busted in, women and children intimidated, and average people belittled and scoffed at just because cops may happen to deal with criminals every now and again. There are a lot of us normal, innocent citizens who would like to just be left to live our lives without interference from you.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:32 am to Rickety Cricket
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I just hate seeing innocent people beaten or murdered, wrong houses busted in, women and children intimidated, and average people belittled and scoffed at just because cops may happen to deal with criminals every now and again
This times a 1000.
I am sick of hearing it. It is past time to rein in the cops.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:55 am to SammyTiger
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So what you are saying is either they shoot whenever they like, or they wait till they have a draw on them.
Is there a middle ground here I'm missing? Is it enough for an officer to assume a person has a weapon before he opens fire? And as we're told time and time again, no one is trained to wound...so to open fire means to shoot to kill.
Is it ok for an officer to have complete authority to open fire on a person based merely on his GUESS that the person has a weapon, rather than knowing he has one as a fact?
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I personally am not ok asking people to wait till a muzzle is in their face to fire.
There is a world of difference between a muzzle in one's face and actually being able to determine IF it's a weapon and not a cane, or an umbrella or a candy bar. You're advocating shoot first ask questions later. I'm not. And if that's too much to ask...that an officer actually wait until he can confirm a person HAS a weapon (I'm not even suggesting he wait until he feels threatened mind you) before he opens fire, then I'd just as well do without them.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:04 am to GeauxTigerTM
Just watched the unedited video. The stupid cops walking around in front of the woman and keeping her away from trying to video her dying husband is a total piece of shite. They all are. Totally unnecessary. The 5 officers are no more than a group of thugs and they alone are responsible for this death. It's not tragic. It's manslaughter.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:15 am to SammyTiger
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1. the guy lived i think so it isn't like a death of an old man.
2. No i don't think this cop acted right, but people need to put themselves in that situation and ask what they would do in the heat of the moment. Its a bad result, but is a surprising one?
When its 5 v 1 and the team with 5 are cops and the 1 dies, I dont care what the 1 guy was yelling, he SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN KILLED. Hell, even IF he threw a punch, it is 5 v 1 people.
It is fricking pathetic these guys are not in jail.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:16 am to HubbaBubba
quote:Angela Corey would say it's 2°Murder
It's manslaughter.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:33 am to North Texas Tiger
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Okay I will put it out there first that I am a cop. I don't make any excuses for the guys in this death. I will say this. Our department makes pretty good money so we get decent people to apply for the job. Over the last few years we have hired a lot of college grads. I know that doesn't make them good cops but I can tell you that most of them are not on a power trip. As a matter of fact they are almost the opposite of being power hungry.
Now I interact with a lot of other agencies across the area and I can tell you that I see guys like this all the time. Not making excuses but what do you expect from a city only able to pay their cops 25k a year? Probably not going to get top candidates. Those people go to the departments that pay 55k a year. Its just a fact of life. Not saying we don't have those types where I work but they are far and few between.
Thought we might see a pig apologize for his brethren.
Then I woke up.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 9:19 am to sealawyer
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This post was edited on 10/3/20 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 2/27/14 at 9:44 am to SammyTiger
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quote: "The situation is very unfortunate," Faris said, reading from a statement at a news conference. "It does appear, at this time, that Deputy Knox's actions were an appropriate response to what he reasonably believed to be an imminent threat to his life."
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Most people wouldn't think a cane is gun. but then again most people don't have a profession where guns get pulled on them . Cops do.
They took the job knowing the risks, they should act to minimize them, but somehow that has turned into if in doubt shoot first. Imagine if firefighters had the same mindset as police, they would never enter a burning building because it would present an "imminent threat" to their lives!
Posted on 2/27/14 at 10:31 am to HubbaBubba
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HubbaBubba
So, you watched the "unedited" video, did you see the part where the man took off running from the police when they arrived? Did you see him refuse to stop when asked to? Did you see him get combative with the police? No. You didn't see it, because it's not on video. Living about 20 miles from where this happened, I have been able to see the eye witness reports about what went down before the video started. Could this have been avoided if he would have stopped running and presented his ID?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 10:32 am to EA6B
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They took the job knowing the risks, they should act to minimize them, but somehow that has turned into if in doubt shoot first. Imagine if firefighters had the same mindset as police, they would never enter a burning building because it would present an "imminent threat" to their lives!
Comparing apples to oranges
Posted on 2/27/14 at 10:42 am to volhound
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did you see the part where the man took off running from the police when they arrived? Did you see him refuse to stop when asked to?
I didnt realize that cops are allowed to just tackle and kill a man for not talking to them.
good god, do you people really believe cops have these powers to overcome your rights?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 10:53 am to CptBengal
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I didnt realize that cops are allowed to just tackle and kill a man for not talking to them.
good god, do you people really believe cops have these powers to overcome your rights?
Do you really believe you can run away from cops when they are requesting an ID and they can't use physical force to stop you which could result in you being physically hurt?
This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 10:55 am
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