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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Did that happen?
see i don't know.
Neither do you. Neither does any other person here spouting off "facts"
seems possible.
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Depends on how physical he got.
Thats true another thing we have no information about.
Thats my point we have no idea what happened.
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:03 pm to SammyTiger
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Thats my point we have no idea what happened
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Neither do you. Neither does any other person here spouting off "facts"
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.Moments later, police arrived on a domestic dispute call at the Moore, Oklahoma, theater and did not confront Nair Rodriguez but rather her husband, Luis. They took him down, and after the encounter on February 15, he was dead.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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No one is this callous. You've got to be trolling
1. the guy lived i think so it isn't like a death of an old man.
2. No i don't think this cop acted right, but people need to put themselves in that situation and ask what they would do in the heat of the moment. Its a bad result, but is a surprising one?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Moments later, police arrived on a domestic dispute call at the Moore, Oklahoma, theater and did not confront Nair Rodriguez but rather her husband, Luis. They took him down, and after the encounter on February 15, he was dead
there is a lot missing in that story. if you can't tell that i hope you are never on a jury if someone accuses me of a crime.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:06 pm to SammyTiger
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It sorta their job to gang tackle the guy in these instances after spraying him with mace.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:08 pm to SammyTiger
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there is a lot missing in that story. if you can't tell that i hope you are never on a jury if someone accuses me of a crime.
One thing isn't. They didnt go for the wife, they went for the wrong guy
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:08 pm to CptBengal
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Cop shoots man reaching for cane
It is sorta there job to shoot people reaching for a cane, it could be a rifle, an assault rifle in disguise. We just do not know all the facts.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:09 pm to SammyTiger
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what would you do if you thought a guy was pulling a rifle on you?
If I was a cop, I would kill and be honored, if I am a citizen and I respond to thugs breaking into my house while I was sleeping, and I respond as this thug did, then I go to jail.
Gotta have the right gang colors.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:11 pm to SammyTiger
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but we hold these people to standards way beyond most of y'all would hold a civilian gun owner.
Really? Really? Dude if you are not a cop, you must come home to one each night.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:18 pm to novabill
too bad the man wasn't carrying a gun or knife.. he could have legally protected himself and we'd have a few less tpos cops running around
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:29 pm to CptBengal
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Cop shoots man reaching for cane
And yet...
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"The situation is very unfortunate," Faris said, reading from a statement at a news conference. "It does appear, at this time, that Deputy Knox's actions were an appropriate response to what he reasonably believed to be an imminent threat to his life."
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:31 pm to novabill
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but we hold these people to standards way beyond most of y'all would hold a civilian gun owner.
Really? Really? Dude if you are not a cop, you must come home to one each night.
Either you've been arrested or you go home to someone who has.
Amidoingthisright?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:32 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Cop shoots man reaching for cane
And yet...
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"The situation is very unfortunate," Faris said, reading from a statement at a news conference. "It does appear, at this time, that Deputy Knox's actions were an appropriate response to what he reasonably believed to be an imminent threat to his life."
Most people wouldn't think a cane is gun. but then again most people don't have a profession where guns get pulled on them .
Cops do.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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One thing isn't. They didnt go for the wife, they went for the wrong guy
you are basing this off of one line in an article written by a reporter.
That isn't for sure. We have no idea what was said in the whole scheme of this thing.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:37 pm to SammyTiger
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Most people wouldn't think a cane is gun. but then again most people don't have a profession where guns get pulled on them .
Cops do.
Then we have two options.
The first is to expect officers to actually SEE a weapon being drawn on them BEFORE they use lethal force...or, simply allow them to use lethal force any old time and we ALL have to be ok with it regardless of how many completely and totally innocent people they kill.
If they can not be expected to fully determine the facts (a word you're big on in this thread) of whether or not a citizen actually has a weapon on them before they're allowed to shoot, then all bets are off and literally everyone is fair game.
Personally, I'm not ok with an officer firing his weapon out of fear that someone MIGHT have a weapon. And if that has to be a part of the job, then I'd prefer to do without them rather than risk being shot while I reach for an umbrella.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:38 pm to Alahunter
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It's an unfortunate tragedy that was brought on by the actions of the wife. There are consequences to actions.
Consequences, like getting murdered? You're a real piece of shite.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:39 pm to Projectpat
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Consequences, like getting murdered? You're a real piece of shite.
Probably not murder. That requires intent.
Negligent homocide at best, manslaughter at worst.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:53 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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The first is to expect officers to actually SEE a weapon being drawn on them BEFORE they use lethal force...or, simply allow them to use lethal force any old time and we ALL have to be ok with it regardless of how many completely and totally innocent people they kill.
So what you are saying is either they shoot whenever they like, or they wait till they have a draw on them. This guy also didn't kill theman.
And the number of innocent people killed by cops is not that high. They just don't differentiate it from kills that are unavoidable.
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Personally, I'm not ok with an officer firing his weapon out of fear that someone MIGHT have a weapon. And if that has to be a part of the job, then I'd prefer to do without them rather than risk being shot while I reach for an umbrella.
I personally am not ok asking people to wait till a muzzle is in their face to fire. If the police could just walk away it would be one thing, but they don't exactly get to choose who they pull over.
Truthfully most police department train you to tell them to put the weapon down. The article doesn't say exactly whether the guy told the man or not. I would doubt it, but at the same time who knows.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 10:01 pm to SammyTiger
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Truthfully most police department train you to tell them to put the weapon down. The article doesn't say exactly whether the guy told the man or not. I would doubt it, but at the same time who knows.
So the cop had his weapon pointed at a 70 year old man....he already has the advantage, no reason to shoot, he can ask the man a question, or use his eyes.
Nah, better to shoot first, right?
You already have your gun on him, the quarter second to pull the trigger its much longer than it takes for a senior citizen who walks with a cane to raise a rifle, aim and fire.
You people cant wait for the gulags, can you?
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 10:04 pm to CptBengal
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So the cop had his weapon pointed at a 70 year old man....he already has the advantage, no reason to shoot, he can ask the man a question, or use his eyes.
i don't remember reading that in the article. would you quote me that section?
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You already have your gun on him, the quarter second to pull the trigger its much longer than it takes for a senior citizen who walks with a cane to raise a rifle, aim and fire.
Once again you weren't there were you. SO you don't really know who this went down. The article was pretty bare bones if you ask me.
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You people cant wait for the gulags, can you?
There you go jumping to conclusions. you are really good at this.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 10:05 pm
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