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re: Louisiana elections gets a win - Ardoin cuts ties with ERIC

Posted on 1/27/22 at 5:37 pm to
Posted by jackamo3300
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2004
2901 posts
Posted on 1/27/22 at 5:37 pm to
Nothing at all needs to be done with the voter rolls - nothing - if Dominion hardware in Louisiana is still a fact of life.

Another unsettling fact is that every RFP that Ardoin has written to this point have been crafted to make Dominion's winning the contract(s) a fait accompli.
This post was edited on 1/27/22 at 6:34 pm
Posted by OldManInAnOldHouse
Nola
Member since Feb 2021
62 posts
Posted on 1/27/22 at 5:47 pm to
I wonder what's happening with the voting machines, and if that's getting ironed out so that warped companies like Dominion aren't in control of tabulating (or not) votes.
Posted by DerkaDerka
Member since Jul 2016
1295 posts
Posted on 1/27/22 at 5:53 pm to
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if Dominion hardware in Louisiana is still a fact of life.


This will be settled one way or another soon. I studied the RFP thoroughly and didn't see the hype about it being written for a single vendor. Yes ES&S and Hart filed complaints, but they had motivation to do so. But anyways, we will find out very soon and cutting ties with ERIC was a great step forward.

Show up at the next Voting Systems Commission and express your concerns.

The previous meetings are available to anyone who wants to view.

Nov 17th (Excellent Presentation on Current Voting Procedures)

Dec 13th Part 1 (Col Waldron and Draza Smith)

Dec 13th Part 2 (Col Waldron and Draza Smith)

Jan 19th
Posted by OldManInAnOldHouse
Nola
Member since Feb 2021
62 posts
Posted on 1/27/22 at 6:56 pm to
Thanks for those links! I'm starting the Nov 17th video now.
Posted by DerkaDerka
Member since Jul 2016
1295 posts
Posted on 1/27/22 at 7:29 pm to
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Thanks for those links! I'm starting the Nov 17th video now.


Dude they did a really good job explaining
Our current voting systems and procedures. Definitely a good watch.
Posted by DerkaDerka
Member since Jul 2016
1295 posts
Posted on 1/27/22 at 8:13 pm to
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There's a story in Gateway Pundit about this now.


Thanks, OP updated.
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 1/27/22 at 8:38 pm to
How do we know where this ERIC system is being used?
Posted by 850SaintsGator
Pensacola
Member since Sep 2021
2358 posts
Posted on 1/27/22 at 9:04 pm to
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How do we know where this ERIC system is being used?


I fairly certain we use ERIC in Florida- it’s a great database to catch fraud
Posted by Concerned Senior
New England
Member since Oct 2020
771 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 3:19 am to
As I am so new to my position as ROV, I doubt if I can shed more light for you in terms of the "inner workings" of our election process, esp. absentee ballots. I hesitate to give out any personal information so this format will have to do but I'm willing to answer questions you may have about voting in general. I will tell you I take my job very seriously and there is no way my integrity can be compromised for any reason whatsoever. It disgusts me to hear that others may have betrayed the oath administered to uphold all election laws.
Posted by DerkaDerka
Member since Jul 2016
1295 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 7:34 am to
It’s looking like the clerks, the RoVs and the state dept are good people. If there were shenanigans, they likely were external. Email me if you would please, we have some stuff in the hopper that you may be interested in. LibertyLa@protonmail.com
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40217 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 8:18 am to
LA does a great job with elections, really. Our election laws make sense. You need an ID but there are provisions if you really don't have one... but you have to prove some stuff. Our ROV offices do a pretty good job of checking voter regs and updating them for death by comparing to Social Security databases.

ERIC, in theory, is a good idea. Example, I had a client that used to brag about how he could vote in four different states, because he lived in each of those four states at some point, and as he moved around, his old state voter registration was never cancelled. He would just get absentee ballots sent to him. He voted for Trump four times.

A truly national database would stop issues like this.

We want elections to be run by the states. But... states are very different in how they run and process elections and voter registration.

Any national system would be subject to accusations that it's being influenced by one party or the other. So a national system will likely never work. But... understand that there are issues with a system that has 50 states doing 50 different things. That includes blue states that do things that lead to fraud.
Posted by TigeeDaleC
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2014
169 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 8:25 am to
Good work, DerkaDerka.....
Posted by DerkaDerka
Member since Jul 2016
1295 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 8:44 am to
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LA does a great job with elections, really. Our election laws make sense.


With the exception of the missing voter verified paper trail (which is set to be fixed) I would have to agree. I think our elections may be the only ones in the country that have any chance of being reconciled/verified with a minimal number of private individuals. Most other places you have no choice but to "trust the experts."
Posted by RudyRud
Member since Mar 2021
2 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 9:06 am to
NO! Dominion will be long gone with new voting system
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40217 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 9:48 am to
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With the exception of the missing voter verified paper trail (which is set to be fixed) I


When I go vote, I show my ID, I have to sign a book, and my name is recorded in a second book, at the same time. The number of votes cast should never be more than the number of names in the book / signatures in the other book.

When I vote absentee, which I have not done in many years due to the ease of early voting, I assume you have a ballot and you have a signature page... so they are recording the signatures as they come in and again, total votes should not exceed total signature pages.

What parts of voter verified paper trail are we missing?
Posted by DerkaDerka
Member since Jul 2016
1295 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 9:55 am to
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What parts of voter verified paper trail are we missing?


The machines we use for in-person voting are paperless DREs. As such, no record exists of an individual voter's intent. The lowest auditable documentation available is the vote summary from the individual machines (for voting day).
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40217 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 10:10 am to
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The machines we use for in-person voting are paperless DREs. As such, no record exists of an individual voter's intent. The lowest auditable documentation available is the vote summary from the individual machines (for voting day).


Gotcha, so the issue isn't miscounting of votes... it's the machine possibly recoding the vote in the wrong way?

What's the solution? It spits out a piece of paper after the vote is cast? Does the voter do something with that?

Sorry for my stupdity, I really don't understand.
Posted by DerkaDerka
Member since Jul 2016
1295 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 10:39 am to
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What's the solution? It spits out a piece of paper after the vote is cast? Does the voter do something with that?


There are a bunch of different ways. Most everyone wants pencil and paper ballots. If we were to stay with DREs then you could select the VVPAT (voter verified paper audit trail) addon. That is a printer that prints the selections on a continuous roll (receipt paper) in a locked box with a window. The voter visually verifies their selections before leaving. Sounds great and I was originally convinced, but there are problems with this method (such as thermal paper fading and voters not actually knowing to look at it).

The state seems to be trending heavily in the direction of going with BMDs (Ballot Marking Devices) but most of us think they need to be avoided pretty much at all cost. There are a bunch of ways they can be cheated. The video I linked above from the elections commission (Dec 13th Part 2 (Col Waldron and Draza Smith)) has an excellent presentation on the pros and cons of BMDs. I forget the guys name, but he is the last speaker.
Posted by TigeeDaleC
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2014
169 posts
Posted on 1/28/22 at 11:08 am to
Several good options, including secure paper ballots, hand marked. Hand counting has challenges, but is an option being considered. "Secure" means watermarked, embedded marking so can't just run to a copy machine. The problem with BMD's in other states has been hacking/barcodes (unreadable), but La. is required to have a voter-verified system.
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