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re: Lindsey Graham on Gun Confiscation - "Every Right has its Limits"

Posted on 3/27/19 at 1:51 pm to
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 1:51 pm to
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So the government wants to take the guns away from heavily armed people with mental issues.


Start in Chicago 1st... oh wait they are outlawed. The people with the lowest murder rates are actually registered conceal/open carry. Imagine that.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 1:57 pm to
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texridder


Question

Blacks commit FAR more gun crime than whites in terms of rate. By a wide margin.

So. This should mean that involuntary confiscations should be disproportionally directed at blacks.

Will the left be OK with this?
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35068 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:07 pm to
Something about that guy who the whole neighborhood knows has been in a mental facility and exhibits no signs of having gotten "better" walking down my street, with all the kids playing out in the open, exercising his open carry rights with 00 buck shot filled 12 gauge just doesnt sit well with me.

**MAGA and 2nd Amendment supporter here
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 2:08 pm
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14935 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:07 pm to
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If you can prove he's insane, he can be forcibly committed. It's a shame everyone wants to do the end around on this.
That is true. But committal is generally a more complex, lengthy process.

IMO this is a least partly in response the times when mass shooters had previous exhibited erratic behavior that had not been addressed.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:10 pm to
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IMO this is a least partly in response the times when mass shooters had previous exhibited erratic behavior that had not been addressed.



I would say that for every POTENTIAL crime you stop, you'll probably have 1000 misuses by family members.........and that's probably being VERY charitable.

I'd venture to say it will be used by a minimum of 25% of estranged wive's laywers
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:13 pm to
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So... people with zero mental health expertise? Damn good thing family members never lie.
And what about those 60,000,000 "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic." Deplorables? You think Hillary and her gang of thugs find the Deplorables to be of "sound mind" and mentally capable of gun ownership? Ya think?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:15 pm to
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And what about those 60,000,000 "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic." Deplorables? You think Hillary and her gang of thugs find the Deplorables to be of "sound mind" and mentally capable of gun ownership? Ya think?



We had actual mental health professionals........I use the term charitably........"diagnosing" Trump from their damned living rooms.

frick the left.

This ain't the world's first rodeo with using "mental health" as a political weapon
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:22 pm to
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This ain't the world's first rodeo with using "mental health" as a political weapon


Read Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. Failing to adhere to the principles of "The Soviet" was clear evidence of mental illness.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
50854 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:24 pm to
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During Tuesday’s hearing on confiscatory red flag laws, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said, “every right has limits.”


If you mean you can do things like prevent people from carrying guns into schools or prevent felons from purchasing guns, sure. However, these red flag laws can quickly become broad and be open to many interpretations. That is a slippery slope.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:25 pm to
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Read Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. Failing to adhere to the principles of "The Soviet" was clear evidence of mental illness.

This was actually where I was pointing.

The Marxist left has used mental health as a political tool for quite some time.

And make no mistake. They pretty brazenly tried it with Trump.

They're completely OK with locking you up for your political thoughts by labeling them "crazy"

Tex would happily go for that
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14935 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:27 pm to
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Blacks commit FAR more gun crime than whites in terms of rate. By a wide margin.

So. This should mean that involuntary confiscations should be disproportionally directed at blacks.

Will the left be OK with this?
It's impossible to have a decent discussion with you. You use stupidly exaggerated self-generated statistics (e.g.,
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I would say that for every POTENTIAL crime you stop, you'll probably have 1000 misuses by family members.........and that's probably being VERY charitable.

I'd venture to say it will be used by a minimum of 25% of estranged wive's laywers


Or, if that doesn't side track the discussion, you try to paint a poster into a corner on a non-related subject (e.g., your post above).

The likelihood of this happening in a discussion with you is comparable to Goodwin's Law. It should be called ShortyRob's law.


This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 2:31 pm
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:33 pm to
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It's impossible to have a decent discussion with you. You use stupidly exaggerated self-generated statistics (e.g.,

LOL

Wut? Are you seriously asserting that what I stated was untrue? Good Lord man.

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Or, if that doesn't side track the discussion, you try to paint a poster into a corner on a non-related subject (e.g., your post above).

I'm just asking and no........it's NOT unrelated because you and I BOTH know the answer. Which, trust me, is relevant to the people you will be targeting while avoiding "disparate impact"

This aint our first rodeo with you deceitful clowns

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The likelihood of this happening in a discussion with you is comparable to Goodwin's Law. It should be called ShortyRob's law.

What you mean to say is, you don't like people pointing out REAL WORLD implications of your fantasy policies
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14935 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:46 pm to
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Wut? Are you seriously asserting that what I stated was untrue? Good Lord man. What you mean to say is, you don't like people pointing out REAL WORLD implications of your fantasy policies[

The "Real World" according to ShortyRob's Law:
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I would say that for every POTENTIAL crime you stop, you'll probably have 1000 misuses by family members.........and that's probably being VERY charitable.
quote:

I'd venture to say it will be used by a minimum of 25% of estranged wive's [sic] laywers
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:47 pm to
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The "Real World" according to ShortyRob's Law:



Research misuse of TPOs and TROs

Your ignorance is not my problem.

Your stupid fricking ideas don't exist in a box.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:48 pm to
By the way. I noticed how fricking fast you ran away from the race problem of your stupid fricking idea
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14935 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 3:06 pm to
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Research misuse of TPOs and TROs

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Your ignorance is not my problem.

Incredible. You posted the ludicrously exaggerated, self-generated figures and then want me to disprove your make-believe crap.

This is the third leg of ShortyRob's Law.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 3:20 pm to
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The second amendment is in place to protect us from a tyrannical gov't. Are you naive enough to think that when they want to confiscate YOUR guns they won't just simply get someone to say that you are a threat.



It exists for two reasons:
1) that each State may be secure in their freedoms
2) defense of home and hearth

It's not to protect you from the federal gov.
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
6067 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 3:59 pm to
so you found a post where I said Trump should be indicted or the post where i said Mueller was right? let me save you sometime ....didn't happen..but coming from a hack like yourself i will take your subhuman scum remark as a compliment.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62542 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 4:08 pm to
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They are not throwing anyone in jail.
If they are a danger to others s why wouldn’t you put them jail? I thought you were trying to prevent crime a priori?

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They are taking away guns with the gun owner having the right to a full hearing after the taking.
They can have a hearing after they are booked. Happens all the time. After all, the best to fight for your rights is after they’ve been taken away. Everybody knows that.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 4:09 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62542 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 4:11 pm to
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We had actual mental health professionals........I use the term charitably........"diagnosing" Trump from their damned living rooms.
Right. Look at home many people regard “liberalism” as a mental disorder. Lets see how many “liberals” are ok stripping them of their own rights.
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