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re: Liberty Safes is getting the Bud Light treatment big time
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:36 am to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:36 am to GeauxTigerTM
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if Buckeye is correct
Not if...I am correct.
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:38 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Not if...I am correct.
Cool...then I go back to this:
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What I see there is another example of why a company clearly isn't needed to get into these things. I'd assume the iPhone was more difficult to get into than the safe would be.
I get why the FBI went to Liberty. It was easier than devoting effort to opening it themselves. What I don't get is why Liberty went along, since there were clearly ways to get this done without this.
If they could access either without the help of the company, why even go to the company for assistance?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:39 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Yeah, sorry I did. I'm doing three things at once right now!
All good.
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The rest of that post addresses your point though, does it not?
Not entirely.
I don't like the comparison to Apple here. The FBI was essentially requesting a universal exploit for all iPhones that the user could do nothing about. Liberty provided either the "master" or "user" code that is random and individual to each safe. The user can change both codes without informing anyone, as far as I know.
I'm not saying what Liberty did was what I would have done. I'm saying...change your fricking passwords and combos people.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:40 am to GeauxTigerTM
Apples Law Enforcement Policy
They will give em everything. Contacts, icloud data, financial information...etc.
LINK
Law enforcement can just provide your name and a valid address.
They will give em everything. Contacts, icloud data, financial information...etc.
LINK
Law enforcement can just provide your name and a valid address.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 10:41 am
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:40 am to GeauxTigerTM
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If they could access either without the help of the company, why even go to the company for assistance?
Efficiency and cost, I suspect. It's easier and cheaper to punch in a series of numbers than to crack into an iPhone or a safe.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:40 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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I don't like the comparison to Apple here. The FBI was essentially requesting a universal exploit for all iPhones that the user could do nothing about. Liberty provided either the "master" or "user" code that is random and individual to each safe. The user can change both codes without informing anyone, as far as I know.
Fair enough.
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I'm not saying what Liberty did was what I would have done. I'm saying...change your fricking passwords and combos people.
I mean, yeah...obviously.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:43 am to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:44 am to GeauxTigerTM
What gives Liberty the right to do this? They should only be able to provide this info to the owner of the safe.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:44 am to DisplacedBuckeye
It wouldn’t have mattered if you changed the code. You would need to replace the entire locking mechanism if you don’t want Liberty to have access to the safe you bought from them.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:46 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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It wouldn’t have mattered if you changed the code. You would need to replace the entire locking mechanism if you don’t want Liberty to have access to the safe you bought from them.
Link that. Maybe Liberty safes are different from every other safe, but most have two codes, and both can be changed by the user.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:46 am to TDTOM
quote:I suppose my question is what gives them the right to not do so.
What gives Liberty the right to do this?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:51 am to DisplacedBuckeye
I don’t have time to find the link, but I own a couple of Liberty Safes. They tell you when you register the safe that they can access your safe in the event of a lost code.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:55 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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I don’t have time to find the link, but I own a couple of Liberty Safes. They tell you when you register the safe that they can access your safe in the event of a lost code.
Everything I can find shows that they're referring to either a "master" or a "user" code, both of which can be changed on every safe I've owned (never owned a Liberty). The only way they'd have the new code is if you give it to them, which they do recommend. Recommend, not require.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:55 am to tigerfoot
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I suppose my question is what gives them the right to not do so.
To not do what? Open a product that no longer belongs to them in any way?
I'd think we'd first to figure out if Liberty could be compelled to do it by court order if they refused the "request" from the FBI. Far as I know, it never came close to that. Liberty just said, "Yes, sir!" and did it.
The way I see it, they didn't request this info from Liberty as some random arse third party locksmith in order to get it open after the guy refused. They brought them in as the manufacturer, and I think that's the problem.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:58 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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They tell you when you register the safe that they can access your safe in the event of a lost code.
This is the part I am struggling with. They should only be able to give this code to the rightful owner.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:06 am to GeauxTigerTM
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If they could access either without the help of the company, why even go to the company for assistance?
It speeds up the process. LE does this all the time.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:14 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:Federal warrant presented to Liberty for entry code. Bank - federal warrant presented for bank records. Are both required to comply or jus the bank? All businesses are aware of how ruthless and probably illegal practices by the FBI in this whole J6 thing. I am more pissed at the FBI than the Liberty safe company. I would imagine in-house counsel advised them to turn over the code so as not to go toe to toe with a ruthless FBI.
Explain how this is similar?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:32 pm to HubbaBubba
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Per the Hodge Twins on Twitter, a friend of theirs, an attendee to J6, someone who did not enter the US Capital, but just attended to be there, has been arrested by the Feds. The Feds had a search warrant to search his house. When it came to his Liberty safe, the FBI called Liberty Safes and they gave the Feds a 'backdoor' code to access the contents of the safe. They really don't know their customers. Twitter is blowing up about it. People with their safes are pissed as hell. .
As shocking as this ^^^^ is (not really at all) what's more shocking are the American people who believe in the constitutional republic sit by and watch their constitutional freedoms being stripped away.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:40 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:Why? The end result was never going to be different.
and I think that's the problem.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:49 pm to Shiftyplus1
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That's not the point. The point is they have a backdoor code to every safe they make. It's a massive weak spot and a middle finger to their customers.
Hate to break it to you, but EVERY safe manufacturer does that. If it’s a keypad type safe they have the code, if it’s tumbler style they have the combination.
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