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re: Libertarian's job is to give Democrats the wins
Posted on 10/19/22 at 12:16 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 10/19/22 at 12:16 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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But, a Republican tells you they're "a real big 2A supporter" and you ignore the "but."
There are Republicans like this, no doubt. But there are far more solid 2A advocates in the Republican party than there are in the Democrat party. The difference his huge. Likewise, there are huge numbers of Dems that are outright hostile towards 2A, would restrict our rights at every opportunity - there are very few Republicans like this, in fact - are there any? The "bad" Republicans on 2A are very similar to the very best Dems on the issue.
So keep the "but" in perspective.
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Obviously Democrats are more frenetic in their desire to attack our rights, including the Second Amendment. But, they don't hide that and we fight them at every turn.
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Obviously Democrats are more frenetic in their desire to attack our rights, including the Second Amendment. But, they don't hide that and we fight them at every turn.
...it will cost Republicans my vote.
You agree Dems pose a dramatically bigger threat to 2A rights. Your grievance with Republicans is that when something has actually happened deleterious to our 2A rights, it was so-called "common sense gun reform" enabled by weak R's on the topic, but look at the numbers. I think the last piece of gun legislation was something like 50 Dems/15 Reps that voted for it.
But those 15 shitty Republican votes have you voting 3rd party. How do you see that playing out?
Consider that if 10% of conservative voters have 2A at the top of their priorities and cast protest votes like you do, Dems would take possibly irreversible control of congress and the White House - irreversible outside of CWII. Your 2A rights would be totally trashed, and now you're dealing with a political system that's rigged to fail for conservatives, not to mention restricted speech, and a DOJ that openly administers justice based on politics. The "fighting them at every turn" would be restricted, because you know misinformation and bad words are now violence.
If Dems weren't hellbent on destroying the country and instead presented a non-whacko alternative to Republicans, your protest vote might accomplish more than it costs, but that ain't where we're at. Your voting 3rd party is counterproductive, at least in our prevailing political environment.
This argument against a conservative voting 3rd party is relevant across the patch. Today, with Dems running amok and Republicans on their heels, you are cutting your own throat by voting 3rd party - unless you're not all that twisted by Obama's version of America.
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Posted on 10/19/22 at 12:34 pm to David_DJS
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This makes your voting L make sense.
He's not a Libertarian, he's a RINO.
He bootlicks for the establishment.
He supports the Kasichs, Cheneys' and Bush's of the Party.
He thinks anyone who didn't strictly follow the Government's protocols on Covid is "stupid".
He's an idiot who contradicts himself.
He has no real beliefs, he just comes to the board to play contrarian like his life-partner, Hank.
Stop seriously engaging him and mock him instead.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 12:37 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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No. I recognize that Republicans have been recently successful in threatening my right to bear arms.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 12:39 pm to David_DJS
We are wasting our breath. They are fully aware marxist democrats are actively trying to destroy this country, and actively trying to violate any of our constitutionally protected rights that stand in the way of the marxist/socialist agenda. They don't care. All they care about is convincing us that republicans are just as bad.
After this discussion, I would just as soon they not vote to save this country. If we manage to save it on our own, then they can be relegated to the trash heap of history as the useful idiots they insist on being. If not, they will be eliminated right alongside us, wondering the whole time how their usefulness to the marxist democrat agenda didn't afford the right to live for themselves and their families.
After this discussion, I would just as soon they not vote to save this country. If we manage to save it on our own, then they can be relegated to the trash heap of history as the useful idiots they insist on being. If not, they will be eliminated right alongside us, wondering the whole time how their usefulness to the marxist democrat agenda didn't afford the right to live for themselves and their families.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 12:56 pm to troyt37
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All they care about is convincing us that republicans are just as bad.
I don't think anyone is trying to convince you, they are just saying their own reasoning.
If the GOP wants someone's vote they need to give them a reason to vote FOR them, not just against someone else.
I say this as someone who leans libertarian and will likely vote GoP in '24 depending on who is nominated.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 12:59 pm to troyt37
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We are wasting our breath.
Why should I vote for Murkowski?
Or Tshibaka?
Posted on 10/19/22 at 1:00 pm to David_DJS
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There are Republicans like this, no doubt.
Most Republicans are like this.
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The difference his huge.
If that were true, Republicans wouldn't be voting for "common sense gun safety."
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So keep the "but" in perspective.
Politicians can say whatever they want. What are they actually doing? That's all that really matters.
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You agree Dems pose a dramatically bigger threat to 2A rights.
I've never agreed with that. I agree that they say they want to pose a bigger threat. Outcomes say otherwise.
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But those 15 shitty Republican votes have you voting 3rd party. How do you see that playing out?
This is an assumption you're making. I've never once said I won't vote for any Republican. What I've said is that I won't vote for those 15 or anyone else like them.
You think I should just go ahead and vote for them because a Democrat would be worse. Well, that's bullshite. When someone supports or is indifferent to the issue, it doesn't really matter what letter they decided to put beside their name on the ballot.
You can continue to vote for shite candidates just because they call themselves Republicans, and you'll be left exactly where you are now.
I'll not participate in that.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 1:01 pm to oogabooga68
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He bootlicks for the establishment.
That's you. You keep voting for the establishment regardless o how shitty they are.
If you want to stop the establishment, stop voting R blindly
Posted on 10/19/22 at 1:01 pm to troyt37
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We are wasting our breath.
You had to be right about something eventually.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 1:04 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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You had to be right about something eventually.
Maybe you should aspire to being right about something eventually....
Posted on 10/19/22 at 1:12 pm to TrussvilleTide
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If the GOP wants someone's vote they need to give them a reason to vote FOR them, not just against someone else.
Lots of people saying that, but it's kind of stupid when you think about it. One party is all but openly saying they intend to destroy you, your family, and your country. The other party isn't worth a damn, but they aren't quite there yet, and even if they were, they could never get away with it without the support of the propaganda media, academia, Hollywood, and a compliant judicial branch.
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I say this as someone who leans libertarian and will likely vote GoP in '24 depending on who is nominated.
I lean libertarian myself, on the things that aren't completely idiotic. But I do have a brain, and recognize that literally nobody will stand in the way of the marxist democrat agenda aside from us, and the marxist democrat agenda includes the exact same steps and the marxist/socialist agendas in Russia and China, in which upon consolidating power, they set about killing millions of their own countrymen. And if you don't think that will happen here, ask yourself why they want your guns so bad.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 1:12 pm to TrussvilleTide
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If the GOP wants someone's vote they need to give them a reason to vote FOR them,
I keep waiting. When that happens I'll come back aboard.
Their only sales pitch is "we're not the other guy." Not one GOP poster in this thread has given me a reason other than "0 votes = one vote for the Democrat" which is low IQ propaganda.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 1:12 pm to oogabooga68
The only question is what draconian sanction will the next Republican administration give us? Bush gave us the Patriot Act and the financial bailouts. Trump gave us the COVID lockdowns and the COVID bailouts PLUS reauthorizing the Patriot Act.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 1:13 pm to Aubie Spr96
Exactly. The last two Republican administrations resulted in financial meltdowns.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 1:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Exactly. The last two Republican administrations resulted in financial meltdowns.
Sweet.....
Who do you suggest would have been a better President than Trump?
Posted on 10/19/22 at 1:23 pm to troyt37
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Lots of people saying that, but it's kind of stupid when you think about it.
It's only stupid if you don't think about it.
Democrats aren't alone in causing the issues we have. Republicans have their hands in it, too, and y'all just keep electing them over and over because they say what you want to hear.
Posted on 10/19/22 at 1:24 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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and y'all just keep electing them over and over because they say what you want to hear.
You fellated John Fkin Kasich, the EPITOME of establishment RINO....
Who the fk are YOU to judge, moron?
Posted on 10/19/22 at 1:26 pm to troyt37
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Lots of people saying that, but it's kind of stupid when you think about it
Is it dumber than voting for one side that you openly admit is bad because they convinced you the other side is worse? You don't think you've been propagandized at all?
Posted on 10/19/22 at 1:27 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Democrats aren't alone in causing the issues we have. Republicans have their hands in it, too, and y'all just keep electing them over and over because they say what you want to hear.
Two presidents who are worshiped at the church of the GOP have eroded our gun rights more than any democrat in decades
Posted on 10/19/22 at 1:28 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Politicians can say whatever they want. What are they actually doing? That's all that really matters
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If that were true, Republicans wouldn't be voting for "common sense gun safety."
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Most Republicans are like this.
You contradict yourself here.
What they do is all that matters, but you're pretending 100% is the same as 30%.
Why?
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I agree that they say they want to pose a bigger threat. Outcomes say otherwise.
Because Republicans restrain them. You know this, right? Do you have any doubt that if Dems had a decided House majority, filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and Biden in the WH - gun regulations like we've never seen would be the result?
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This is an assumption you're making. I've never once said I won't vote for any Republican. What I've said is that I won't vote for those 15 or anyone else like them.
Yes, I understand this. And it's what I'm arguing is stupid.
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You think I should just go ahead and vote for them because a Democrat would be worse.
Yes, I'm saying you should vote in whatever way best protects your 2A rights, and if that means voting for some lukewarm Republican that would support red flag laws over a Democrat that would vote for an outright gun ban - frick yeah, it's stupid to vote 3rd party instead.
Seriously, what are you not understanding about 20% of conservatives voting like you would result in draconian gun laws? That's a real question.
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You can continue to vote for shite candidates just because they call themselves Republicans, and you'll be left exactly where you are now.
I'll continue to vote for shitty Republicans because shitty Republicans are lightyears better than today's mainstream, or even moderate Democrat.
You don't fix the "shitty Republicans" part in general elections.
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