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re: Libertarian's job is to give Democrats the wins

Posted on 10/17/22 at 6:48 pm to
Posted by El Segundo Guy
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 6:48 pm to
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You think that’s winning?


If that's what happens, so be it. The Republican Party isn't standing in the way of anything.

I no longer belong to any party, club, organization or church. I am also self employed/retired.

There isn't a group or party on this planet that I belong to. I only care about ME being represented.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 6:50 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 6:49 pm to
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The Republican Party isn't standing in the way of anything.

Go ahead and list the things you believe the GOP could do or stop in government at this time.
Posted by El Segundo Guy
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 6:52 pm to
Nothing. And I don't care. The Republicans care more about abortion than they do the economy.

Republicans had many opportunities to fix Obamacare, the Patriot Act, etc and stepped on their dicks for years.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 6:56 pm to
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The Republicans care more about abortion than they do the economy. Republicans had many opportunities to fix Obamacare, the Patriot Act, etc and stepped on their dicks for years.

No argument with that. And we certainly agree that the GOP has a terrible tendency to shoot itself in the foot by pandering to its base on social issues like abortion.

None of that changes the reality that voting for a random third party schlub is no different than staying home or voting for Democrats. And as milquetoast as the GOP is, the modern Democratic Party is an enormous threat to your early retirement and estate, as well as your ability to provide for your children once you are gone.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 6:58 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 6:56 pm to
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There is another Republican in the damn election


Who is terrible. Swamp creature who just can't wait to get back to DC. She's so phony.

She's such a great example of the DC swamprat.

LINK

Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 6:58 pm to
So yes. You are outright voting for Chesbro?

Roger, everyone, principled conservative voting for a Democrat with two GOP Candidates in the race for a seat in a hotly contested Senate.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 7:00 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:08 pm to
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So yes. You are outright voting for Chesbro?



Ahh..the old twisted logic people who worship failed politicians use to try to force you to vote for their interest. If you had better policy besides "Im not the other guy" I'd be more interested in the crap youre selling.

No one will get my vote, except the local and state level. 0 does not equal one, regardless of what your cult tells you.
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:15 pm to
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Ahh..the old twisted logic people who worship failed politicians use to try to force you to vote for their interest.

What?

We went through the candidates and Chesbro was the only one left. What else was my conclusion to be? All you had to do was say I’m not voting in the Senate race the first of the four times you’ve mentioned it and been asked about it.

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If you had better policy besides "Im not the other guy" I'd be more interested in the crap youre selling.

What specific policy initiatives would you consider to be on your wish list?

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0 does not equal one, regardless of what your cult tells you.


It absolutely does increase a Democrats chance of winning the election though.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22764 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:20 pm to
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The Republican Party isn't standing in the way of anything.

You say this only to make yourself feel better.

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If that's what happens, so be it. The Republican Party isn't standing in the way of anything. I no longer belong to any party, club, organization or church. I am also self employed/retired. There isn't a group or party on this planet that I belong to. I only care about ME being represented.

And we wonder how the Left has taken control of nearly every organization, industry, and business with a national reach.

There aren’t many conservatives that in a perfect world wouldn’t do as you’ve done. The only difference between you and them is they understand the little world you’ve created for yourself is fantasy when the country has been surrendered to Leftists.
Posted by LemmyLives
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Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:29 pm to
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Why should I want Congress or anyone in Washington DC to "get something accomplished"?


Repealing laws, statutes, guidance, memoranda, etc still also qualifies as getting something "done." There is hope, however small.

If Cornyn doesn't retire before the next election, I have to vote (L), even if it's him vs. O'Rourke in five ish years. I've written him old school paper letter to that effect, and Cornyn is the TX version of Murkowski.

It wouldn't have changed the outcome, and he clearly DGAF, but I'm ashamed to have voted for that moron in 2020.

Whereas, looking at how the Dems "create" their campaigns, Ossof also ran for office in 2006-ish and lost. FIFTEEN YEARS LATER, they refined his message with the special interest groups in ATL to make him electable, they were playing the long game. When you have fewer than 1,000 votes for the opposing party in an urban county (DeKalb) you don't have a chance, you have a cult. F$&k DeKalb.

I want to vote (L) for county judges, land commissioners, etc., but it's just not workable for national races, and for most statewide stuff. Things like Railroad Commissioner (in TX) are absolutely possible, and they hold a ton more influence than many believe. That's where change actually comes from (it takes decades, but it's for my kids not me.)
Posted by LemmyLives
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Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:38 pm to
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It absolutely does increase a Democrats chance of winning the election though.


Dumb people do this. 100 days to end COVID! KeystoneXL needs to stop! Blah blah, blah. Oz isn't an awesome candidate, but to have Fetterman within 15 points (let alone ahead!) shows that affiliation matters more than issues. Sink New England and the west coast. Jog on (which means f#&k off), we're good without you. We can maybe negotiate with Wisconsin, but not with you fools.

He said the word "union" DUR DUR DUR. Yankees deserve what they've voted for.
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
Member since Jun 2006
53279 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:38 pm to
Shane Hazel was good tonight...gave both Kemp and El Gapitan shite and made his Libertarian points. Twitter search results say the libs are fricking pissed at him, which is great. I voted Gary Johnson in 16 after Rand dropped out. This country is too tribal since then for me to waste it on a protest vote. Kemp all day. Hopefully, at some point in the future, Rand/Ron politics have more hold.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 7:43 pm to
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It absolutely does increase a Democrats chance of winning the election though.



Me, not voting..does absolutely nothing to help the Democrats. If you want more registered voters to vote, send a better message. The one's not voting are making a choice, and its none of the above.

The Republican candidate can get more votes by doing their job, rather than blaming me because they lost the election.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22764 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 8:43 pm to
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Me, not voting..does absolutely nothing to help the Democrats

If you’re conservative, diametrically opposed to the whacko liberal agenda, then not voting absolutely helps the Dems. Now if it’s a 50/50 sort of thing, you find your elf agreeing with Dems here and there, that’s a different story.

And you know this.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 8:52 pm to
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If you’re conservative, diametrically opposed to the whacko liberal agenda, then not voting absolutely helps the Dems.


If I believe both candidates are terrible, it's morally wrong to vote either.

I did this once with Edwin Edwards over David Duke. I've been ashamed ever since. Neither deserved it.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22764 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 9:06 pm to
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If I believe both candidates are terrible, it's morally wrong to vote either.

So casting a vote for an uninspiring and weak conservative/establishment Republicans is sinful in exactly the same way casting a vote for a pedophile that wants liberals to groom your kids/grandkids in LGBTQ ways outside of the view of parents is?

Okay. I find that unfortunate, but given what’s been posted in this thread it’s not surprising.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 9:07 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 9:07 pm to
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The hell you haven’t.


I didn't help put Biden in office. I bet you did.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 9:20 pm to
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So casting a vote for an uninspiring and weak conservative establishment Republicans is sinful


No. If I think someone is unqualified, then its wrong to vote to put them into power.

Why would I want leaders who I don't feel are qualified?
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22764 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 9:25 pm to
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No. If I think someone is unqualified, then its wrong to vote to put them into power. Why would I want leaders who I don't feel are qualified?

This is the second time (at least) you’ve avoided the whole picture.

Who the frick wants unqualified leaders? But that choice isn’t made in a vacuum no matter how much you pretend it is. You’re choosing to not vote for the only viable alternative to true evil. That’s not as bad as voting for true evil, but it’s halfway there.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28172 posts
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:43 pm to
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This is the second time (at least) you’ve avoided the whole picture.


Way more than the second time.

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/pentagon-equity-chief-praises-book-calling-9-11-first-responders-menaces/104848732/

If people want to say the differences aren’t great enough for them to vote for an 80% solution as opposed to a 100% solution , ok. I may disagree depending on the details of a particular election and I think waiting on the perfect candidate is a fool’s errand, but that’s at least logical. You’ll only vote for Prince Charming; fair enough.

But it’s retarded to pretend that they’re both the same and governance doesn’t change when one side of the other controls government. It does, in some pretty fundamental ways.
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