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Lessons in leadership, Stonewall Jackson and zelensky
Posted on 5/21/23 at 8:37 am
Posted on 5/21/23 at 8:37 am
As they marched to the battlefront, on this particular day General Jackson started at the back of his army and rode the entire length to the front. As he passed many made comments of his presence and by the time, hours later, when he had reached the front of the column the comments had grown to cheers.
While it was not uncommon for his troops to see him, his attire was. For the first time since the campaign began...he was wearing a new uniform, and wherever they were headed it must be the most important battle they had fought in their lives.
zelensky stated that Bakhmut must be held at all costs. As the ukranian troops held on for dear life to the last small pieces of ground in the city...zelensky was having tea and crumpets with the G7 a thousand miles away. And when the city finally fell he said "what is Bakhmut but ground".
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Posted on 5/21/23 at 8:42 am to trinidadtiger
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zelensky stated that Bakhmut must be held at all costs. As the ukranian troops held on for dear life to the last small pieces of ground in the city...zelensky was having tea and crumpets with the G7 a thousand miles away. And when the city finally fell he said "what is Bakhmut but ground".
Back in there olden days General Jackson didn't have to lobby an ungodly number of countries for cash and arms. So I'm not buying into this narrative. I don't think any person could do a better job for Ukraine than Zelenskyy.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 8:46 am to aTmTexas Dillo
quote:Maybe he should have. To say the least, the CSA armies were at the short end of the logistics train.
Back in there olden days General Jackson didn't have to lobby an ungodly number of countries for cash and arms
That being said, the role of a field officer and the role of a chief executive are ... somewhat different.
This post was edited on 5/21/23 at 8:49 am
Posted on 5/21/23 at 8:50 am to AggieHank86
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Maybe he should have. To say the least, the CSA armies were at the short end of the logistics train.
He didn't have many friends out there. Part of being a great leader to get things done is the ability to read the room. And now we are going to let F16s flow to Ukraine. Z must be doing something right. I think, I read somewhere General Dynamics/Lockheed-Martin are going to open up the assembly line on those little jets.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 8:55 am to aTmTexas Dillo
Just read something interesting about Jackson
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Little known as he was to the white inhabitants of Lexington, Jackson was known by many of the African Americans in town, both slaves and free blacks. In 1855, he organized Sunday School classes for blacks at the Presbyterian Church. His second wife, Mary Anna Jackson, taught with Jackson, as "he preferred that my labors should be given to the colored children, believing that it was more important and useful to put the strong hand of the Gospel under the ignorant African race, to lift them up". The pastor, Dr. William Spottswood White, described the relationship between Jackson and his Sunday afternoon students: "In their religious instruction he succeeded wonderfully. His discipline was systematic and firm, but very kind. ... His servants reverenced and loved him, as they would have done a brother or father. ... He was emphatically the black man's friend." He addressed his students by name and they referred to him as "Marse Major"quote:
Jackson neither apologized for nor spoke in favor of the practice of slavery. He probably opposed the institution. Yet in his mind the Creator had sanctioned slavery, and man had no moral right to challenge its existence. The good Christian slaveholder was one who treated his servants fairly and humanely at all times
Posted on 5/21/23 at 8:57 am to AggieHank86
He was an overrated general. The South's best chance was in the last battles of the Seven Days campaign and Jackson was late
Posted on 5/21/23 at 9:02 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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Back in there olden days General Jackson didn't have to lobby an ungodly number of countries for cash and arms. So I'm not buying into this narrative. I don't think any person could do a better job for Ukraine than Zelenskyy.
I would think a better analogy would be Mugabe who begged the UN for funding for the millions of people he starved.
zelensky and his nato cronies started this and have cheered on the deaths of tens of thousands of Ukranians for their treasure.
This post was edited on 5/21/23 at 9:05 am
Posted on 5/21/23 at 9:03 am to trinidadtiger
You do realize that Stonewall was shot by his own sentries after returning from a recon mission and died several days later. Being at the front cost him his life and any chance the Confederacy had.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 9:04 am to armtackledawg
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He was an overrated general.
Nothing a troll enjoys more than the smell of napalm early in the morning.
BTW, what was Lee's opinion on Jackson as a general?
Posted on 5/21/23 at 9:07 am to armtackledawg
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He was an overrated general. The South's best chance was in the last battles of the Seven Days campaign and Jackson was late
That would be Gettysburg, and you are correct, he was not there....and we saw how that turned out.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 9:12 am to trinidadtiger
That would not be Gettysburg by any stretch. That was the last chance but not the best
Posted on 5/21/23 at 9:20 am to Kat Kat
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You do realize that Stonewall was shot by his own sentries after returning from a recon mission and died several days later. Being at the front cost him his life and any chance the Confederacy had.
The museum of the confederacy in Richmond had a display on this. I say had because I visited over 30 years ago, heck the museum is named some politically correct thing now and probably filled with nonsense displays. They actually had the pocket notebook of one of his scouts that took a bullet right through it as he carried it in his breast pocket.
Your analogy is akin to saying if you are born you will die so why bother living, the way many live their lives, is this a self reflection
Posted on 5/21/23 at 9:30 am to trinidadtiger
Zelensky lost 300-500 men a day and kept sending them in. Stonewall would not have done that.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 9:35 am to armtackledawg
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That would not be Gettysburg by any stretch. That was the last chance but not the best
Wait, wait, is there where you are going to tell me Ukraine is winning.....while Russia is firmly implanted in their repatriated land?
You do realize Google has maps, Gettysburg is in the North, you do realize that, dont you.
Your seven pines analogy is akin to saying the Japanese would have won WW2 had they taken out US carriers, nothing could be further from the truth.
By Gettysburg the public opinion of the north had changed dramatically, Lincoln himself was questioning whether it was worth it.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 9:45 am to Kat Kat
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You do realize that Stonewall was shot by his own sentries after returning from a recon mission and died several days later. Being at the front cost him his life and any chance the Confederacy had.
He also fought most of the war with extreme stomach pain. Today we think it may have been ulcers. He tried sucking on lemons all day but it didn't work.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 9:53 am to AggieHank86
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That being said, the role of a field officer and the role of a chief executive are ... somewhat different.
So when your CEO says Bakhmut must be held at all costs, even as 1000s die....and when it is lost he ways "it is just land"....thats leadership. One might question, if Ukraine is just land....why is everyone so concerned who occupies it?? Is there some other reason, what could it be??
Posted on 5/21/23 at 9:57 am to trinidadtiger
Zelensky isn't leading chit. He's an actor playing a leader. Same people that manage Joe are managing Z. Find out who these people are and we can start to unravel all this frickery.
This post was edited on 5/21/23 at 9:58 am
Posted on 5/21/23 at 10:25 am to AggieHank86
There's an AME church with a stained glass window of him.
Not quite - he was basically a fatalist. Whatever happens must be what God wanted.
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He probably opposed the institution. Yet in his mind the Creator had sanctioned slavery, and man had no moral right to challenge its existence.
Not quite - he was basically a fatalist. Whatever happens must be what God wanted.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 10:45 am to AggieHank86
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AggieHank86
Mr. Hank, the entire purpose of this thread is to convey that Zelenskyy is playing with the G7 crown while his troops fight in the trenches. Zelenskyy is the leader of his country. Jackson was military leader whose responsibility was with his troops. Zelenskyy has his own generals. If Ukraine remains a country after this war it is in part because of Zelenskyy and those who report to him.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 10:49 am to trinidadtiger
You know how you can tell you are Bakhmut? empty vodka bottles and wild dogs eating dead Russians.
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