re: Leftists….”keep religion out of politics!”

Lmao!!! The Marxist Dems religion IS politics/government!!

"Govern me harder daddy" is their motto!

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There's no perhaps. They do get to have their religion present in governance more than anyone else, and its been this way since this nation's founding.

Maybe on a per capita rate, only looking at the last several years, that trend might have shifted. But in total numbers its not even close.

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Over the past several decades in particular, that trend has gone way down. I'm not talking about what may have happened in the past before the 1st amendment was interpreted to mean that the church should be kept out of the state rather than the state should be kept out of the church. What I see now is a drastic increase in secular humanism and atheism rallying behind secular policies or rallying against Christian policies. It's to the point now that when a law or policy like Louisiana's requiring the display of the 10 commandments in schools goes through, most respond with "it'll be shot down" by the SCOTUS, because that's the precedent set.

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You said the following:

"But again, that doesn’t matter. As soon as a Christian says “homosexuality should be outlawed because [insert secular arguments]…” then he will be attacked for his Christian beliefs and the arguments will be dismissed because they come from a Christian, even if he doesn’t appeal to the Bible whatsoever."

When I asked for an example of such an argument, you admitted that you couldn't even imagine that argument would even look like.

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I think there was a miscommunication here. In response to what the quote of what I said, you said, "Show me your non-religious rationale as to why churches who marry homosexuality should be fined or jailed."

I read this as a different argument, namely that I would be arguing for why churches (pastors, etc.) who marry homosexuals SHOULD BE fined or jailed. I wouldn't make even a religious argument for why that should be the case. That's why I said I couldn't make the case. I then proceeded to provide a secular reason for why someone opposed to Christianity or Christian influence in our laws might argue for fines and jail time. That wasn't my argument, though.

If you would like to restate your question or scenario, I would be happy to try it again.

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I understand from your worldview how a secular argument for anything morally related doesn't track at all, but it *still* cuts against your claim as to what would happen if such an incidence would occur. You're not even equipped to imagine what might occur because you can't even put yourself in the necessary headspace in which such a conversation would be had.

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I'm not perfect, but I'm more than capable of such a discussion. I think you're jumping to a wrong conclusion based on a miscommunication.