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Larry Elder: Slavery: What They Didn't Teach in My High School

Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:32 pm
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:32 pm
I wish everyone on the Left would read this for the balance and perspective it brings to an issue that is still causing rifts between us.

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A man I have known since grade school changed his name, years ago, to an Arabic one. He told me he rejected Christianity as "the white man's religion that justified slavery." He argued Africans taken out of that continent were owed reparations. "From whom?" I asked.

Arab slavers took more Africans out of Africa and transported them to the Middle East and to South America than European slavers took out of Africa and brought to North America. Arab slavers began taking slaves out of Africa beginning in the ninth century — centuries before the European slave trade — and continued well after.

In "Prisons & Slavery," John Dewar Gleissner writes: "The Arabs' treatment of black Africans can aptly be termed an African Holocaust. Arabs killed more Africans in transit, especially when crossing the Sahara Desert, than Europeans and Americans, and over more centuries, both before and after the years of the Atlantic slave trade. Arab Muslims began extracting millions of black African slaves centuries before Christian nations did. Arab slave traders removed slaves from Africa for about 13 centuries, compared to three centuries of the Atlantic slave trade. African slaves transported by Arabs across the Sahara Desert died more often than slaves making the Middle Passage to the New World by ship. Slaves invariably died within five years if they worked in the Ottoman Empire's Sahara salt mines."

My name-changing friend did not know that slavery occurred on every continent except Antarctica. Europeans enslaved other Europeans. Asians enslaved Asians. Africans enslaved other Africans. Arabs enslaved other Arabs. Native Americans even enslaved other Native Americans.

He accused me of "relying on white historians" who, he insisted, had a "vested interest to lie."

What about Thomas Sowell, the brilliant economist/historian/philosopher, who happens to be black? Sowell writes: "Of all the tragic facts about the history of slavery, the most astonishing to an American today is that, although slavery was a worldwide institution for thousands of years, nowhere in the world was slavery a controversial issue prior to the 18th century.

"People of every race and color were enslaved — and enslaved others. White people were still being bought and sold as slaves in the Ottoman Empire, decades after American blacks were freed."

Sowell also wrote: "The region of West Africa ... was one of the great slave-trading regions of the continent — before, during, and after the white man arrived. It was the Africans who enslaved their fellow Africans, selling some of these slaves to Europeans or to Arabs and keeping others for themselves. Even at the peak of the Atlantic slave trade, Africans retained more slaves for themselves than they sent to the Western Hemisphere. ... Arabs were the leading slave raiders in East Africa, ranging over an area larger than all of Europe."

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Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35030 posts
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:39 pm to
Don’t you dare point out that the only group of people who don’t actively commit slavery TODAY are white folk.

Blacks in Africa still enslave each other. Chinese treat norks who cross over as slaves. Arabs in the Middle East still commit slavery as well.

But the evil white man!
Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
30616 posts
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:44 pm to
Shhhh

Liberals hate the truth.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:48 pm to
"But what about what they did wrong?"

How many countries had to fight a civil war because a portion of the country believed they had the god given right to enslave black men?
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7637 posts
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:49 pm to
What does that have to do with anything?

So your argument is see other people did it too?

I don't get what your point is?
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35030 posts
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:49 pm to
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How many countries had to fight a civil war because a portion of the country believed they had the god given right to enslave black men?


How many white folk are enslaving blacks today?

How many blacks are enslaving blacks today?

But muh confederacy!
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35030 posts
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:50 pm to
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So your argument is see other people did it too?


Well... white folk stopped.

The Arabs, blacks, and Asians have not.

Yet here you are..... still blaming whitey
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
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112475 posts
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:52 pm to
You can still get a good deal on slaves in Africa.

CNN
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:55 pm to
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How many white folk are enslaving blacks today?

How many blacks are enslaving blacks today?


More whataboutism. Most of our parents/grandparents were alive when black people were being murdered because they dared to demand equal rights.

It's hard.. because a certain demographic refuses to admit that their ancestors were traitors
This post was edited on 7/14/18 at 1:57 pm
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35030 posts
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:57 pm to
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Most of our parents/grandparents were alive when black people were being murdered because they dared to demand equal rights.


And yet..... you can buy you a slave in Africa today for 400 bucks. What about his equal rights?

Why are you so focused on slavery from the 1800s when you can focus on real and tangible slavery TODAY.

I think it’s absolutely hilarious that you’re still white man evil. Everyone else good! When everyone else still commits slavery.. the evil white man however, does not.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260547 posts
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:58 pm to
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Most of our parents/grandparents were alive when black people were being murdered because they dared to demand equal rights.


Now they're being murdered just for being black, by other blacks.

The current situation among inner city black males has far less to deal with slavery or Jim Crowe than it does the drug war and war on poverty.

And really shitty personal choices.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:58 pm to
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The Arabs, blacks, and Asians have not.

Yet here you are..... still blaming whitey


For problems in our own country.. that we have control over
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
61287 posts
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:59 pm to
quote:

What does that have to do with anything? So your argument is see other people did it too? I don't get what your point is?

I stated my point in the OP:
quote:

I wish everyone on the Left would read this for the balance and perspective it brings to an issue that is still causing rifts between us.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35030 posts
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:59 pm to
quote:

because a certain demographic refuses to admit that their ancestors were traitors


All of our ancestors were traitors it’s kind of how this country got founded. Via rebellion.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35030 posts
Posted on 7/14/18 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

problems in our own country.. that we have control over


Oh so the white man is killing the black man in chiraq?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260547 posts
Posted on 7/14/18 at 2:01 pm to
quote:

It's hard.. because a certain demographic refuses to admit that their ancestors were traitors


Are you saying people who had no say in leaving the union or slavery were traitors?

Because I have a much different definition.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/14/18 at 2:03 pm to
quote:


The current situation among inner city black males has far less to deal with slavery or Jim Crowe than it does the drug war and war on poverty


Absolutely. But thats by design.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35030 posts
Posted on 7/14/18 at 2:04 pm to
quote:

Absolutely. But thats by design.


Yep. It’s always whiteys fault.
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10445 posts
Posted on 7/14/18 at 2:05 pm to
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How many countries had to fight a civil war because a portion of the country believed they had the god given right to enslave black men?



How many fought a civil war because half of the country was willing to fight to eliminate slavery?
Posted by GeauxLSUGeaux
1 room down from Erin Andrews
Member since May 2004
23307 posts
Posted on 7/14/18 at 2:06 pm to
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How many countries had to fight a civil war because a portion of the country believed they had the god given right to enslave black men?


Slavery is slavery. Just because a country fought a civil war over it doesn’t make that country any worse than any country other country where they had slavery. The US, being a constitutional republic with emphasis geared more towards power to each state was different than pretty much any other country on earth at that time. You can argue semantics all day long but America is not inherently more evil because of a civil war. You can just as easily say they went to war to free slaves as they did to keep them. Name a country that went to war to free slaves. See, that’s a double edged sword.
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