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re: Landrieu: Unelect Me If You Don't Like Obamacare
Posted on 8/30/14 at 1:30 pm to mmcgrath
Posted on 8/30/14 at 1:30 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
mmcgrath
Are liberals truly this stupid?
Here is a link to a bronze (aka junk) plan on HealthSherpa:
LINK
Maybe you and Winston are better at math than I am, but I was always under the impression that $329 was over $300. But I'm certainly glad that you enlightened, intelligent people are here to correct me.
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Posted on 8/30/14 at 1:47 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:I see libs defending Obamacare all the time.
Are liberals truly this stupid?
By and large their POV is unrelated to any experience with the law. It is based instead on a trust of other MSM libs and politicians who likewise lack any direct experience with the law. None have any idea how horrible it actually is.
I was just wondering if Landrieu is attempting to change her tack.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 1:47 pm to Meauxjeaux
quote:No. Not at all when your care is subsidized by work in one scenario and not in the other... among other things.
I think it's valid to compare what one pays today for their care + what care they get for that + what deductibles they are required to pay today
vs.
what they will pay for care + what care they get for that + what deductibles they are required to pay under ACA.
Isn't that an apples to apples comparison?
I worked for a company who paid the full cost of health insurance. Then I left the company to become a contractor and paid for it myself. My costs went from 0 to $3K. Should I blame Bush?
Posted on 8/30/14 at 1:49 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:Oh wow. You found a link to a health care plan somewhere that costs over $300 / month. Then his entire story mus be 100% true, right?
Here is a link to a bronze (aka junk) plan on HealthSherpa:
Posted on 8/30/14 at 1:59 pm to mmcgrath
I have been at the same company for 18 years. My insurance premiums through my employer averaged higher increases before Obama was elected. They also dropped coverage's that I preferred during that same time frame.
This post was edited on 8/30/14 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 8/30/14 at 2:01 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 8/30/14 at 2:05 pm to mmcgrath
quote:(1) Lack of appreciation of the employer mandate here is painful. Its predicted impact will be to hurl many of those "subsidized" workers into the Obamacare pit. That is why Obama has delayed implementation until after Nov 2014.
No. Not at all when your care is subsidized by work in one scenario and not in the other... among other things.
(2) The worst element of Obamacare is not the cost. Granted, cost stinks. But the bigger problem is its often atrocious coverage in terms of providers and facilities.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 2:08 pm to Enfuego
Most polls are like call in shows, the pissed off people come out of the woodwork to respond. the people that agree, not so much.
Poll TD and the majority hate Coach Miles when that is not even close to being true.
Poll TD and the majority hate Coach Miles when that is not even close to being true.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 2:08 pm to pjcantrelle
quote:That is really more of what I have seen. I would like to see examples of cases where people are worse off under the ACA but every publicly vetted story has been investigated and almost all of them didn't take into account subsidies and the like.
I have been at the same company for 18 years. My insurance premiums through my employer averaged higher increases before Obama was elected. They also dropped coverage's that I preferred during that same time frame.
The stories from some people on here are clearly leaving out most of the picture.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 2:09 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
(1) Lack of appreciation of the employer mandate here is painful. Its predicted impact will be to hurl many of those "subsidized" workers into the Obamacare pit. That is why Obama has delayed implementation until after Nov 2014.
(2) The worst element of Obamacare is not the cost. Granted, cost stinks. But the bigger problem is its often atrocious coverage in terms of providers and facilities.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 2:17 pm to SirWinston
quote:
We'd have people marching on the capital if this were honestly true and as common as opponents of the Act make it out to be.
There are marches and protests. But MSM won't cover it. Apparently you have to burn gas stations and loot hair salons to get their attention. That won't happen because the people hurt the most by the ACA still have to go to work to provide for their families instead of stay out all night burning out small business owners.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 2:53 pm to tysonslefthook
quote:
There are marches and protests. But MSM won't cover it.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 3:07 pm to lsufan1971
ok miss piggy, I will vote to un-seat you.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 4:07 pm to Bard
quote:
My pay is strictly middle class ($45k/yr). Obamacare is hitting us harder than anyone else. This President has often extolled the virtues of increasing the middle class, but his signature legislation is doing exactly the opposite.
This was the intent. His 'middle class virtues' are nothing more than empty platitudes for his propaganda machine (MSM) to run with. He needs to dupe the useful idiots in order to keep the progressives in power. Crushing the middle class is their 'end game'.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 4:07 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
Oh wow. You found a link to a health care plan somewhere that costs over $300 / month.
HealthSherpa uses public information and provides the cost of plans from multiple companies. Of course, you're more interested in blind loyalty to Obama than you are in having an honest discussion of the issues. So you refuse to accept the fact that some people are getting a very, very bad deal from this law.
If you weren't a hack, you would be willing to accept facts. If a single, nonsmoking male in his 30s can get a bronze plan for a significantly lower cost, you would have provided a link to the company that offers that plan. Problem for you is you don't have facts on your side, so you dismiss the link with a vulgar emoticon instead of providing evidence for your position.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 4:54 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:Looking on healthcare.gov for a 35 year old in NJ starts at $268, silver at $304, and gold at $354. That's basic without talking about smoking vs non-smoking and other factors.
If you weren't a hack, you would be willing to accept facts. If a single, nonsmoking male in his 30s can get a bronze plan for a significantly lower cost, you would have provided a link to the company that offers that plan.
However, that does nothing to prove even the first part of his story that described a plan (as if it was the same exact plan) for under $100, nor was it specific about any subsidies, his age then, or even what year he was talking about.
quote:
If you weren't a hack, you would be willing to accept facts.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 5:15 pm to mmcgrath
quote:The keys in equivalent comparison are deductibles and PPO's. The latter is opaque at best on healthcare.gov
However, that does nothing to prove even the first part of his story that described a plan (as if it was the same exact plan) for under $100, nor was it specific about any subsidies, his age then, or even what year he was talking about.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 6:23 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
I see libs defending Obamacare all the time.
By and large their POV is unrelated to any experience with the law. It is based instead on a trust of other MSM libs and politicians who likewise lack any direct experience with the law. None have any idea how horrible it actually is.
I think most folks who support Obamacare (and Romneycare), accept it as an article of faith that based on the assumption that Western Europe and Canada can't all be wrong.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 6:29 pm to trackfan
quote:Has no affect on me what so ever.
and Romneycare)
Posted on 8/30/14 at 6:43 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
So let me get this straight... you are comparing your contribution to healthcare in the job you have to independent policies on healthcare.gov?
As the employer mandate has (coincidentally) been single-handedly delayed by the President until after the mid-term elections (gosh, I wonder why?) the best indicator we have for what will happen to employer-provided healthcare rates is to look at the effect the individual mandate has had on individual plan rates.
LINK
quote:
For the individual insurance market (plans sold directly to consumers); among the ten states seeing some of the sharpest average increases are: Delaware at 100%, New Hampshire 90%, Indiana 54%, California 53%, Connecticut 45%, Michigan 36%, Florida 37%, Georgia 29%, Kentucky 29%, and Pennsylvania 28%.
This doesn't take into account the insane deductibles for these post-ACA plans but it does take into account the ridiculous built-in costs for needless things (like hysterectomies for men).
But I guess it's probably unfair in your mind to use the failures of the individual mandate and the delay in the employer mandate to draw any conclusions on the employer mandate, right? Just lie back and let it happen, eh?
quote:
Yet you probably complain about how all of your money is going to subsidize welfare queens and the like.
Amiright?
Not sure where you are going with this. Please elaborate.
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