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re: Knowing what you know now, how did Floyd die?

Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:56 pm to
Posted by rsbd
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:56 pm to
POS ODed
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:57 pm to
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You already said there wouldn't have been evidence of a heart attack



and your point is that he had a heart attack despite literally no evidence?
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:58 pm to
He died how he lived...on the edge. Although the cop should have got off of him when he stopped breathing/moving, he didn't feel sorry for that lady that him and his boys terrorized when he put a gun in her stomach while robbing her inside her own home (and don't forget about how his boy pistol-whipped her). He had some karma come back at him.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 9:00 pm to
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You just dont understand that cardiopulmonary arrest means he stopped breathing and died not that he had a heart attack.



Floyd said he couldn't feel his face, and everything hurt almost in the same sentence...he added that he was claustrophobic though he was just removed from the drivers seat of a vehicle with several passengers, 2 individual he had never met before...

Are these signs of recreational doses?





Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 9:03 pm to
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and your point is that he had a heart attack despite literally no evidence?


would it be fair to say he had a panic attack?

how do you characterize the behavior in the last 40 minutes of his life ?
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 9:05 pm to
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He wasn’t overdosing without the officers extreme conduct


what was the extreme police officer's conduct?

please be specific

Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6534 posts
Posted on 8/17/20 at 9:06 pm to
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Floyd said he couldn't feel his face, and everything hurt almost in the same sentence...he added that he was claustrophobic though he was just removed from the drivers seat of a vehicle with several passengers, 2 individual he had never met before...

Are these signs of recreational doses?


no. This OD nonsense is very clearly debunked from the lab work... this is a hilarious point to make considering you believe he was is complaining of pain while on OD levels of PAINKILLERS.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 9:10 pm to
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what the hell does recreational levels of drugs mean pal?


No kidding. I am diametrically opposed to our nation’s insane and unwinnable War on Drugs®.

Yet how can any rational person make an argument that any combination of meth and fentanyl can be considered a safe “recreational” dose? Fentanyl has a sedative affect and slows breathing while meth creates excitability and heightens the heart rate.

These are dangerous and lethal drugs alone; that danger certainly is compounded when used in combination with each other. Especially when abused by someone with a preexisting heart condition.



LINK ]What is fentanyl?

quote:

Can you overdose on fentanyl? Yes, a person can overdose on fentanyl. An overdose occurs when a drug produces serious adverse effects and life-threatening symptoms. When people overdose on fentanyl, their breathing can slow or stop. This can decrease the amount of oxygen that reaches the brain, a condition called hypoxia. Hypoxia can lead to a coma and permanent brain damage, and even death.

Synthetic opioids, including fentanyl, are now the most common drugs involved in drug overdose deaths in the United States. In 2017, 59.8 percent of opioid-related deaths involved fentanyl....






LINK ]What is methamphetamine?


quote:

Methamphetamine is a powerful, highly addictive stimulant that affects the central nervous system. Methamphetamine was developed early in the 20th century from its parent drug, amphetamine, and was used originally in nasal decongestants and bronchial inhalers. Like amphetamine, methamphetamine causes increased activity and talkativeness, decreased appetite, and a pleasurable sense of well-being or euphoria. However, methamphetamine differs from amphetamine in that, at comparable doses, much greater amounts of the drug get into the brain, making it a more potent stimulant.38 It also has longer-lasting and more harmful effects on the central nervous system.39 These characteristics make it a drug with high potential for widespread misuse.




This post was edited on 8/17/20 at 9:11 pm
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 9:11 pm to
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would it be fair to say he had a panic attack?
how do you characterize the behavior in the last 40 minutes of his life ?



2 coroners characterized the last minutes of his life as homicide. Maybe he had a panic attack, but that still would not be a homicidal death. im sorry you have such a difficult time accepting the facts because you don't like that riots happened as a result of homicide.
Posted by Tigers0891
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Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 9:12 pm to
Chauvin is also not guaranteed a trial with an impartial jury. Unless the government finds some hermits in the mountains willing to take a big city vacation for a few days. He will be convicted of something because everyone will be scared to death to disagree with the narrative.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56112 posts
Posted on 8/17/20 at 9:16 pm to
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it seems that your feelings from the only the video guide your perspective despite a slew of contradictory facts.


hmmm, I don't believe you have watched the videos that have been released by the police

there are I believe 3...one from each police officers who had direct contact with Floyd...so you get each angle

I think it's tragic, I hurt when I saw the viral video, I really did...I thought that's someone's dad, someone's son...this will wreck America and it did

but with all these cases, I don't believe cops are going to kill a man carelessly or with intent with people watching, screaming and being video taped....

so I question

"one side seems right until the other speaks"

the videos release by police will get the officer off murder charges.

are they guilty of something? I don't know...if Floyd was my son would I see only a knee as the reason for his death? probably

but objectively, I see a man who wasn't right, wasn't in his right mind....was not working with police, he refused to get in the SUV

he said he couldn't breathe several times before we get to the knee to the neck...that's significant in my book

he could breathe, but from within, he was blowing up...he knew he was dying is my belief...

the knee wasn't good, the optics are terrible, but I couldn't put these officers in jail over this altercation...

I had a officer friend shot and killed in the line of duty so maybe I am biased from that event
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56112 posts
Posted on 8/17/20 at 9:29 pm to
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2 coroners characterized the last minutes of his life as homicide


Do their reports really put it that plainly? if so, would you mind posting it here?

because that's going to be difficult to prove in a court of law.

I flipped my position on this tragic death based on the police evidence and everything we know about Floyd, what led to this whole thing on that day...the police were called out...

and yes I am very upset our country is torn in two over this, I am sick of the violence and senselessness of what we're seeing unfold...over a guy none one knew prior and wouldn't be hanging out with if given the chance, unless it was for recreational drug use? give me a break

he probably had a rough up bringing, but a grown man has to be accountable for his crimes...

Did he have to die they say?

He begged the officers to let him out and lay on the ground, from there, it's up to a jury....

meanwhile BLM runs on a platform that doesn't support males, black men or traditional marriage...

that upsets the most



Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 8/17/20 at 9:30 pm to
He died from the combination of restraint, heart problems and drugs. The cops will be rightfully acquitted
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56112 posts
Posted on 8/17/20 at 9:35 pm to
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No kidding. I am diametrically opposed to our nation’s insane and unwinnable War on Drugs®.

Yet how can any rational person make an argument that any combination of meth and fentanyl can be considered a safe “recreational” dose? Fentanyl has a sedative affect and slows breathing while meth creates excitability and heightens the heart rate.

These are dangerous and lethal drugs alone; that danger certainly is compounded when used in combination with each other. Especially when abused by someone with a preexisting heart condition.


thank you Toomer..

I agree with your thinking
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6534 posts
Posted on 8/17/20 at 9:35 pm to
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hmmm, I don't believe you have watched the videos that have been released by the police


Well I told you I watched the videos... IDK what else you want. To me they showed someone who had behavior I would not endorse that had been resisting and he was slowly smothered to death. Other than that, I simply laid out facts that you seem to chose not to believe. 2 different coroners and the labwork disagree with your notion that it was primarily due to OD/heart conditions.

The cops guilt or innocence determined in court is different than the fact that his death was homicidal in nature. The facts plainly disprove your notion that his death was OD/natural causes. Is that enough to put any of the cops away for homicide is a different question. But the reality is the death was caused primarily by police intervention.
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 9:36 pm to
Wasn’t he also covid positive??
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6534 posts
Posted on 8/17/20 at 9:37 pm to
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Wasn’t he also covid positive??



that would be a natural cause not homicide.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56112 posts
Posted on 8/17/20 at 9:38 pm to
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He died from the combination of restraint, heart problems and drugs


restraint or resisting, these might be called semantics

Floyd put up the struggle...that's on him

and the public stated on social media "he was handcuffed, and wasn't resisting"

little did we know
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56112 posts
Posted on 8/17/20 at 9:42 pm to
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that would be a natural cause not homicide.


when do enough factors add up to natural cause?

Fent, Meth, THC, Caffeine, Heart Disease, Nicotine, and Covid, resisting arrest while in handcuffs..

Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 8/17/20 at 9:48 pm to
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police intervention

Nice wording
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