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re: Knowing what you know now, how did Floyd die?
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:25 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:25 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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Which was homicide.
Right, but homicide by who? The dealer?
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:26 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Have you been choked out before? You aren't talking if someone cuts off your airway. You may make a noise, but it wont be you talking.
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:27 pm to ApexTiger
He died as a result of stupidity & resisting.
Same as all the others.
Same as all the others.
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:30 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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Doesn't change one damn thing about their professional medical diagnosis.
Oh so Crump demanding a second analysis had no impact on the medical "conclusions?" The same man who help BLM get launched into existence by putting up a false witness to testify against zimmerman
everyone thought the officer killed Floyd because after all we had conclusive evidence right? Even Trump said "I don't like what I see, its not good"....and we all agreed!!!
there was a ton of pressure to "state the obvious" "look at the tape, he killed him!"
blood work is blood work...
he was doing drugs and his behavior would support this evidence.
he resisted, and bad things happened
YOu can have a knee on a neck and it not hurt depending on pressure....
we don't know this part...but we have everything else prior to draw conclusions using common sense
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:31 pm to ApexTiger
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for me, I am 98% certain he died from drug overdose. The police head cam videos with audio were eye opening.
the amount of destruction one video created we all thought "the cop killed him"....is a lesson in perspective...be very careful what your eyes are telling you to think..
Meh. He wasn’t overdosing without the officers extreme conduct. The drugs were likely a contributing factor but to declare them sole cause is leaving behind what your eyes tell you for what your political party does.
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:32 pm to ApexTiger
I've watched several hours worth of video. He was drugged out of his mind and died of a heart attack induced by drug overdose. His weight and general poor health coupled with his physically struggling contributed. IMO.
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:32 pm to ApexTiger
He died from RACISM. By a white nationalist jack booted Nazi!!!
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:33 pm to WinnPtiger
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really don’t give a shite
Winner!
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:38 pm to ApexTiger
The third choice should be Suicide by cop. If you read the transcript of the interaction, Floyd said "I'll probably die here" or something to that effect several minutes before he died. He was big enough and strong enough to press enough of Chauvin's weight off his neck to breath, if that's what he really wanted to do. Chauvin had most of his body weight on his other knee on the pavement. Worst case scenario for Chauvin is, Floyd would have given up by passing out first, but not dying. But Floyd stated about 18 times to the first officers before Chauvin ever even showed up that he couldn't breath. That's when he was walking around high.
I've been on top of a black man just a little bigger than me while trying to get him to surrender. I had my 200 pound knees bouncing on the middle of his calves and my hands on his shoulders. He played like I needed to get off him. The next thing I knew he reverse bench pressed me off him from the ground like I was a rag doll and got up like it was easy and then he was on top of me.
These George Floyd types can be very strong when they want to be. I think Floyd was ready to see his deceased mom again. That's why he was calling for her
I've been on top of a black man just a little bigger than me while trying to get him to surrender. I had my 200 pound knees bouncing on the middle of his calves and my hands on his shoulders. He played like I needed to get off him. The next thing I knew he reverse bench pressed me off him from the ground like I was a rag doll and got up like it was easy and then he was on top of me.
These George Floyd types can be very strong when they want to be. I think Floyd was ready to see his deceased mom again. That's why he was calling for her
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:39 pm to ApexTiger
Combination of stress, drugs, heart condition and being restrained
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:41 pm to ApexTiger
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I admit I was wrong about the overdoses,and I am trusting you are correct about these drug levels published in his blood were "not critical" of an OD. How would I know? I do not...
at the same time I think you're way too casual with the "below recreational" doses
nor have you commented on his bizarre behavior being relevant to the evidence at hand?
Is your story he lied he couldn't breathe? it was an act of resistance?
Fentanyl , Meth, and THC, ....all moderate to low levels...????
THC - he could have passed a routine drug screen for employment.
meth - lower than 3 orders of magnitude (1000x) lower than median recreational use.
Fentanyl - less than the smallest dose available.
I have commented that his behavior is inconsistent with what you would expect for the amounts and types of drugs he was on more than once, you just ignored that. its not moderate to low levels, its low to routinely undetectable on emplyment screening levels, no where near moderate levels much less overdose amounts.
my "story" is that he was telling the truth, he was having difficulty breathing.. with respect to the whole ordeal of being arrested and struggling, and the extended duration of compression of the neck compromising his breathing even further. This is consistent with a death of homicidal nature as determined by 2 coroners. If either of the 2 coroners believed his death was due to natural (heart attack/conditions) or accidental (OD) causes they would not have determined it to be homidal in nature.
I have now repeated these facts multiple times. I cant understand these facts for you, investigate them further if you dont understand. But those are the facts. If you think the cops are guilty or not in a court of law that is a different conversation, but his death was homicidal in nature, not OD/heart attack.
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:42 pm to carguymatt
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The third choice should be Suicide by cop. If you read the transcript of the interaction, Floyd said "I'll probably die here" or something to that effect several minutes before he died. He was big enough and strong enough to press enough of Chauvin's weight off his neck to breath, if that's what he really wanted to do.
holy shite, you guys are hopeless
carry on
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:44 pm to ApexTiger
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he resisted, and bad things happened
YOu can have a knee on a neck and it not hurt depending on pressure....
Good lord.
Have a good night, there's no reasoning with this.
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:44 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Good night.
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:47 pm to roadGator
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:49 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
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I've watched several hours worth of video. He was drugged out of his mind and died of a heart attack induced by drug overdose.
weird, the blood work and coroners don't agree. there was no where near OD amounts of drugs. There was no evidence of heart attack (it would be impossible for there to be any given it takes 4-6 hours of surviving a heart attack, ekg/cardiac enzymes drawn none of which happened). You just dont understand that cardiopulmonary arrest means he stopped breathing and died not that he had a heart attack.
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:53 pm to ApexTiger
No idea and honestly “how Floyd died” is irrelevant to the scum that will burn major cities to the ground and murder LEOs if the officer doesn’t receive a lengthy prison sentence.
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:54 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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YOu can have a knee on a neck and it not hurt depending on pressure....
Good lord.
Have a good night, there's no reasoning with this.
well, be prepared to be annoyed when the defense attorney asks similar questions...
"beyond a reasonable doubt"
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:55 pm to GeauxGutsy
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No idea and honestly “how Floyd died” is irrelevant to the scum that will burn major cities to the ground and murder LEOs if the officer doesn’t receive a lengthy prison sentence.
well that's not justice, that's revenge based in ignorance
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:55 pm to AMS
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If either of the 2 coroners believed his death was due to natural (heart attack
You already said there wouldn't have been evidence of a heart attack
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