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Keystone=TransCanada seizing property rights of U.S. citizens against their will
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:00 pm
Do Keystone Pipeline supporters also support Canadians seizing Americans' land?
Because that's what has to happen for it to be completed.
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I'm curious as to how many so called "Tea Party" members who claim to support individual rights also support the Keystone Pipeline. The two would seem to be at odds.
Construction of the Keystone pipeline is going to mean a Canadian based corporation gets to take land from private American citizens against their will.
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Because that's what has to happen for it to be completed.
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A Canadian company has been threatening to confiscate private land from South Dakota to the Gulf of Mexico, and is already suing many who have refused to allow the Keystone XL pipeline on their property even though the controversial project has yet to receive federal approval.
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I'm curious as to how many so called "Tea Party" members who claim to support individual rights also support the Keystone Pipeline. The two would seem to be at odds.
Construction of the Keystone pipeline is going to mean a Canadian based corporation gets to take land from private American citizens against their will.
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A TransCanada spokesman, Shawn Howard, says the company does not have to wait for a license from the State Department to begin securing land. He said the company has tried to obtain voluntary agreements, but when that fails the company has the right to force lease agreements upon landowners in all six states the pipeline would pass through.
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This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:03 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Do Keystone Pipeline supporters also support Canadians seizing Americans' land?
Do liberals support any government using imminent domain?
Because it sounds like the government is the problem here, not the property owners.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:04 pm to SpidermanTUba
why couldn't you just keep this in the thread already underway when you asked it the first time? Be patient and let that thread play out. geez...
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:04 pm to MagicCityBlazer
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Do liberals support any government using imminent domain?
Because it sounds like the government is the problem here, not the property owners.
I get confused when questions are answered with questions.
Please just answer yes or no.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:06 pm to SpidermanTUba
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I get confused when questions are answered with questions.
Its Socratic.
Ehh whatever. Responding any further is going to prop up your impending false dichotomy.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:07 pm to SpidermanTUba
Well, you should thank the liberals on the Supreme Court that made it completely possible that property can be taken by government for any reason.
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You view what is in my wallet to be the governments so I don't see how you can be outraged that the land isn't also the governments.
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In fact, the Supreme Court’s conservative bloc?—?the late Chief Justice William Rehnquist, the now-retired Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, and Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas (none of whom was a Bush appointee)?—?had dissented from Stevens’s majority opinion. It was the High Court’s liberal faction?—?Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and the since-retired David Souter?—?along with swing-voter Anthony Kennedy?—?who had formed the narrow majority. O’Connor’s dissenting opinion was particularly scathing. “Today the Court abandons [the Fifth Amendment’s] long-held, basic limitation on government power,” she wrote. “Under the banner of economic development, all private property is now vulnerable to being taken and transferred to another private owner, so long as it might be upgraded, i.e., given to an owner who will use it in a way that the legislature deems more beneficial to the public?—?in the process.”
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You view what is in my wallet to be the governments so I don't see how you can be outraged that the land isn't also the governments.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:07 pm to C
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why couldn't you just keep this in the thread already underway when you asked it the first time?
Sorry, I forgot to consult you before starting a thread. My bad.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:08 pm to SpidermanTUba
Straws, you're grasping at them.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:08 pm to SpidermanTUba
Pipeline rights of way exist regardless of company.
This is no different that Exxon, Shell or any other company exercising these rights.
Stop being a douche.
This is no different that Exxon, Shell or any other company exercising these rights.
Stop being a douche.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:09 pm to udtiger
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This is no different that Exxon, Shell or any other company exercising these rights.
And Tea Party members agree that the government should have the right to seize the land and property rights of private citizens against their will?
Yes or no?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:14 pm to SpidermanTUba
In all fairness to liberals. The vast majority of holdouts are loyal Republican voting farmers who are against eminent domain.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:16 pm to SpidermanTUba
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I'm curious as to how many so called "Tea Party" members who claim to support individual rights also support the Keystone Pipeline. The two would seem to be at odds.
Easy. They aren't at odds.
Can someone not support a businesses right to build a pipeline without succumbing to the emotional outcries of delusional hippies and the political manipulation of corrupt politicians without supporting the businesses wish to have the government force people to sell their land to accommodate said pipeline?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:20 pm to blowmeauburn
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voting
Might be a mistake.
It doesn't matter if the pen that steals your land with eminent domain is red or blue, or if it has an elephant or a donkey, stealing is stealing.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:22 pm to SpidermanTUba
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This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 12:37 am
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:22 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:
Canadian company has been threatening to confiscate private land
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has the right to force lease agreements
So which is it?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:24 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:
Do Keystone Pipeline supporters also support Canadians seizing Americans' land?
Yes.
At least this one does.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:25 pm to SpidermanTUba
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SpidermanTUba
Do you think the government should be able to steal land but not the Canadian govt?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:28 pm to udtiger
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This is no different that Exxon, Shell or any other company exercising these rights.
Wouldn't disagree. All are theft.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:32 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:Reminds me of Unocal and Afghanistan.
Keystone=TransCanada seizing property rights of U.S. citizens against their will
That didn't turn out well for the Afghans.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:34 pm to BigJim
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Do Keystone Pipeline supporters also support Canadians seizing Americans' land?
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Yes.
At least this one does.
TransCanada is NOT seizing land. They are seeking lease agreements with the landowners.
A little advice to the landowners too. Don't allow your negotiation to get to the point of condemnation. The landowner will get his best price at the point just before condemnation. If you wind up in court the landowner will end up with less than the pipeline company's initial offering.
Also, make sure that there is language in the ROW agreement that states that if petroleum product is not being transported through pipeline the pipeline company shall abandon the line within 180 days per the landowner's desired disposition.
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