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re: Keith Olbermann suspended from Twitter

Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:16 am to
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59260 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:16 am to
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I really don't think a bot written to post the location of a bunch of billionaire's private jets amounts to any of those standards.


You’re wrong, Doc.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39798 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:16 am to
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Nope.
That is not the "distinction."
Not remotely. Not close. Not even reasonably debatable.



Summarize my argument, because I don't think you are following it clearly.

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Your responses seem to fall into a pattern. You get caught in logical fallacy


What's the specific logical fallacy?

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then attempt to shift contextual paradigm while implying your foil just doesn't get it.


Res ipsa loquitur

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In this case, the argument is no longer about a "distinction" which you yourself personally drew. Instead, you imply that as someone else previously brought up the subject, you should be immune from your own expressed musings on it.


What? This doesn't make any sense. If I take up another person's argument, and expand upon it in order to elucidate a specific difference, I become subject to other people's flip answers, which only seem to obfuscate? And I have to take those obfuscations seriously?

Look, I'm responsive to arguments, not flip answers, and I'll disregard the latter all day. I'm interested in arguments, and not any thing else. The poster in question is in particular very stupid, thus I treated him as such. In contrast, you've posed an argument here, and I take it more seriously.

Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59260 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:20 am to
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The poster in question is in particular very stupid,


As are many of the “arguments” you have made. Ignorantly asking how this is different than Libs of tik tok? Yet you demand to be taken seriously and dismiss others as “very stupid”.

Maybe stick to the knee bone is connected to the shin bone.
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 8:49 am
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39798 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:20 am to
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I don't think you follow. Try again. Yes Musk travels with security. Why?

Why does one need a security detail?



Right, but given that BezosJet and ElonJet were both banned, and one had a credible threat, it's more likely that the banning was based on both this specific credible threat, as well as about the possibility of a potential threat more broadly. That's actually a more principled position and even application of the rules than Twitter under old management.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47526 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:21 am to
it doesnt matter what you think. someone recently attacked his car with his kid inside. the left has made it clear that he is fair game, or else they wouldnt be doxxing his location.

stop playing dumb because your side is behaving badly. be a man, acknowledge the problem, and be part of the change from within.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138519 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:23 am to
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Summarize my argument
No need. The specific argument addressed is:
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I asked a specific question asking what the distinction was from what Libs of TikTok was doing, and what the ElonJet account was doing. Apparently, the distinction is that Elon can choose to not allow one based on preferences, not any real principle.
I follow that crystal clearly. Is that not your post?

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What's the specific logical fallacy?
Now you are the one not following clearly. Summarize my argument.

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If I take up another person's argument, and expand upon it in order to elucidate a specific difference, I become subject to other people's flip answers
In some instance certainly. In this instance you are "subject to" your own answer.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:24 am to
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That's actually a more principled position and even application of the rules than Twitter under old management.


You are pretending as if ALLLLLLL this shite is happening in a vacuum.

Bottom line: Elon Musk bought Twitter and is cleaning all the rat shite out of the house.

He does not have to be nice or even-handed about cleaning up an inarguably, Leftist-biased platform.

Further, he doesn't have to justify counter-punching against assholes who are actively trying to harm him to you or any other Leftist.

You are obsessed with Musk defending himself and outing these little Marxist pieces of shite.

Let it go.



Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:24 am to
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it doesnt matter what you think.


Bottom line
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:25 am to
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I become subject to other people's flip answers,


No, you are incapable of understanding normal conversation.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:28 am to
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You are obsessed with Musk defending himself


Hes been given orders. He has to.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39798 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:28 am to
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As are many of the “arguments” you have made. Ignorantly asking how this is different than Lina of tik tok? Yet you demand to be taken seriously and dismiss others as “very stupid”.



Well, he's very stupid based on prior interactions. I can definitely admit that I'm a poor writer, so it will take me multiple posts to express my argument fully, but the question I wanted to answer was whether Musk would apply the changes in the TOS evenly, or whether it would be selective. I actually think it is more likely that he will do the former, which is a very good thing for the platform.

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Maybe stick to the knee bone is connected to the shin bone.



Lol
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:29 am to
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Twitter under old management.



Twitter under old management was a tool used to persecute people engaging in "wrong-think".

There wasn't even an illusion of even-handed application of "rules", unless you were a brain-dead Leftist.

Those Fascists need to be PURGED and the methods used to purge those fanatics is irrelevant.


Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:30 am to
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it doesnt matter what you think.


When you have Crazy and Hank in the same thread, you realize white people are very unimpressive.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138519 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:31 am to
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one had a credible threat


Let's do this again.

Why does Bezos travel with security?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39798 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:32 am to
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You are pretending as if ALLLLLLL this shite is happening in a vacuum.



For the purpose of testing a principle, that's the easiest way to frame an argument, is it not?

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Bottom line: Elon Musk bought Twitter and is cleaning all the rat shite out of the house.

He does not have to be nice or even-handed about cleaning up an inarguably, Leftist-biased platform.


Well, being even-handed is my own preference, but I can see the argument that since banning under previous Twitter management was not even-handed, any attempt by Musk to correct it would be seen by those leftists as an attack on free speech. I've read tweets where people are calling him authoritarian and comparing him to the Chinese Communist Party and their attempts to limit access to social media, which is utterly ridiculous.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:32 am to
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I can definitely admit that I'm a poor writer, so it will take me multiple posts to express my argument fully,


Finally you're honest
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128703 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:33 am to
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Crazy and Hank in the same thread, you realize white people are very unimpressive.


Erm…
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39798 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:37 am to
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I follow that crystal clearly. Is that not your post?



It is, but the thing that both things have in common is that they serve as aggregation tools of publicly available media. The difference is like you said, the credible threat distinction, which is much more solid reasoning than other answers provided in this thread, which I wrote off in the last sentence of the quoted post.

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In some instance certainly. In this instance you are "subject to" your own answer.



Nah, flip answers aren't to be taken seriously as a general rule.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:40 am to
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Twitter under old management was a tool used to persecute people engaging in "wrong-think".


Youre talking to people who have no concept of this because their precious media didn't inform them.

These people don't believe anything until their "side" reports it.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39798 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:40 am to
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Finally you're honest



Lol, I've said this repeatedly and for a long time. I'm a really bad writer, especially in this medium where immediate clarity of thought is beneficial.
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