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re: Kabul will be Biden's Saigon.

Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:28 am to
Posted by geaux88
Northshore, LA
Member since Oct 2003
16355 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:28 am to
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The "negotiations" with the Taliban will basically be threats. His MO is to be thuggish.


In this case, his handlers will have to put their money where their mouth is after they change Joe's diaper. Cuz the Tali/Quaeda won't listen to a bluff.

Joe at this point reminds me of the "ding ding" cartel guy who was all stroked out in "Breaking Bad."
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 2:31 am
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:31 am to
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In this case, his handlers will have to put their money where their mouth is after they change Joe's diaper. Cuz the Tali/Quaeda won't listen to a bluff.

Joe at this point reminds me of the "ding ding" cartel guy who was all stroked out in Breaking Bad at this point.


Hopefully they injected some amphetamines into him or something for this occasion. Who knows what his handlers will push for...
Posted by geaux88
Northshore, LA
Member since Oct 2003
16355 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:35 am to
I gave you a long winded reply on page 2...not sure if you saw it....about the logistics and supplies...
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35156 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:55 am to
I guess the main hammer and nail we have looming over them is that if the Taliban did take it to the extreme, and there was significant loss of American lives, they should expect a very fierce response that would likely set their plans of having a free for all running that country back a good ways. So I'd guess they would surely run a bit of a cost/benefit analysis consisting of perceived gains derived from an ugly assault on American lives -versus- how far they'd be bombed into oblivion and set back in their ultimate plans.

So perhaps they conclude that there's more to gain by just letting the door hit our last guy in the arse, and then enjoy the spoils of war, specifically the complete reign of Afghanistan, again. Which is an ugly thought itself, but maybe the best outcome under the circumstances, as long as all our folks get out of there safely.
Posted by geaux88
Northshore, LA
Member since Oct 2003
16355 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 3:00 am to
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So perhaps they conclude that there's more to gain by just letting the door hit our last guy in the arse, and then enjoy the spoils of war, specifically the complete reign of Afghanistan, again. Which is an ugly thought itself, but maybe the best outcome under the circumstances, as long as all our folks get out of there safely.


Well said. At this point, it's the best we can hope for I feel.

I'll take your above scenario all day right now over the images of a running gun battle and chaos of evacuation under fire.
Posted by Rip N Lip
Zambodia
Member since Jul 2019
7027 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 3:07 am to
Man I hope not, for the people on the ground there.

But Waterhead Joe has been in power for 3/4ths of the War, much more if you include the funding of the Mujahideen.

Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30041 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 3:08 am to
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How do they land and supply 3500 troops when the Taliban mortars the runways?


I don't know which brigade is going (it have been the 1st, 2nd or 3rd Combat Team whichever was the current IRF) but the 82nd doesn't need runways to deploy or sustain. Forcible entry parachute deployments are kinda the heart of their mission. Some of them are probably hoping to drop in to get their mustard stain. If length of deployment lasts long enough the Sustainment Brigade will drop or LAPES in whatever is needed which will be relatively easy considering our air superiority.


Unless I am mistaken this is the first time since my unit was deployed for Operation Just Cause in '89 the 82nd IRF has been called up for rapid deployment.
Posted by geaux88
Northshore, LA
Member since Oct 2003
16355 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 3:14 am to
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I don't know which brigade is going (it have been the 1st, 2nd or 3rd Combat Team whichever was the current IRF) but the 82nd doesn't need runways to deploy or sustain. Forcible entry parachute deployments are kinda the heart of their mission. Some of them are probably hoping to drop in to get their mustard stain. If length of deployment lasts long enough the Sustainment Brigade will drop or LAPES in whatever is needed which will be relatively easy considering our air superiority.


You da man. TYFYS. I also answered him on page 2 given my knowledge. Would appreciate your critique.

got a few posts on page 2, but the longest one is what I'm talking about scenario wise.
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 3:18 am
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 4:11 am to
Now get them and the couple thousand at the embassy out.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 4:35 am to
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Cuz the Tali/Quaeda won't listen to a bluff.
dont bluff

set up heavy bombing of the Afghan murderers until they comply. Not easy? Im sure there is something the TaliQuaeda consider valuble.

Start breaking it until they beg
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 6:51 am to
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One would think that the US military with CIC and IC would have learned after Benghazi, though that was clearly incompetence on many levels.


Reminder: Our military record since WW11 isn't exactly stellar.
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
17625 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 6:52 am to
For the last time, Biden isn’t doing any of this. He’s in bed right now with a diaper and banana pudding.
Posted by ShinerHorns
El Paso
Member since Jul 2021
5617 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 6:55 am to
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Biden isn’t doing any of this.


Typical leftist tactic - deflecting.
Posted by Pepperoni
Mar-a-Lago
Member since Aug 2013
4153 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 6:56 am to
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When he announced the hard withdrawal date
. There’s nothing like telegraphing the enemy your timeline.
Posted by LongueCarabine
Pointe Aux Pins, LA
Member since Jan 2011
8205 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 7:15 am to
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There’s nothing like telegraphing the enemy your timeline.


This is what I simply cannot understand. Why in the name of everything unholy would we do something so stupid? We’ve seen this bite us on the arse several times over the last 50 years.

You think we would have learned?
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
92826 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 7:40 am to
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All in all frick them, they made their bed.


Did we here also “make our bed”? I had zero part of putting Biden in office yet somehow we’re all going to have to pay for his mistakes.

There are good civilians there that are powerless against the machine. It’s rather unfair to group them in with the same malcontent leaders who they have.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 7:46 am to
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The reason folks didn’t frick with Trump was because they knew he would hit them and hit them hard if they crossed him.


But people did cross him. Iran, the Taliban, Pakistan. The Taliban was running operations during peace negotiations. The reality is that they know we aren't there long term. It won't matter who the president is. We lost as soon as we entered.
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 7:47 am
Posted by Placekicker
Florida
Member since Jan 2016
12401 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 7:46 am to
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Biden has sent a delegation to meet the Taliban to beg them not to attack our embassy


Just like he gave Putin a list of critical infrastructure not to hack...

Posted by MAADFACTS
Member since Jul 2021
1410 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 8:00 am to
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1. The history books and narratives will be that it was all Trump's fault.


Nah. History books tend to be more accurate that journalists. Nixon was bizarrely blamed for Vietnam, but now the vast majority of people would blame JFK for getting us in and LBJ for staying. Likewise W. and Obama are going to take the lion share of blame for Afghanistan, especially W. Anything that happens now short of genocide will be an afterthought and even that my be an afterthought in our books
Posted by Zarkinletch416
Deep in the Heart of Texas
Member since Jan 2020
8689 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 8:01 am to
America will never learn. You'd think we learned our lesson from the Viet Nam disaster. Nation Building doesn't work.

All those brave young men, sacrificed for nothing. But it's always the underprivileged young that fight the wars for rich influential politicians and industrialist.

America didn't listen to Dwight D. Eisenhower when he warned about the Military-Industrial Complex. Sad.

"The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.". — Albert Einstein.
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