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re: Just curious as to who believes in aliens/UFOs coverup
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:02 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:02 pm to ShortyRob
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You do sound crazy.
Proof is proof even if everyone in the world denies it.
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LOL.
Nope.
Proof isn't proof only to those people who hold onto their blind beliefs like the biased skeptics and scientists who blindly believe that it is impossible for sea serpents to exist.
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False. You are just a skeptic and a debunker.
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Skepticism is always wise. No one should ever accept evidence absent corroboration. You're not pitching a religion dumb arse.
Reasonable skepticism is to be expected and welcomed but personal attacks against someone making an extraordinary claim are not reasonable.
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Only idiots aren't skeptics.
Many idiots are biased skeptics.
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How does it work, Archie?
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You put your proof out there and anyone what wants to review it does. The way THEY would like to review it.
Ya know. Basically like the entire scientific world has worked for centuries.
That's why any "scientist" who examines our videos must provide written documentation explaining how and why they reached their conclusion like Clifford Paiva and Bruce Champagne did.
Part of our proof that our first video contains data that proves sea serpents exist is the documentation written by Paiva and Champagne explaining how and why they reached their conclusions that our first video does contain data that proves sea serpents exist so that scientists and other "experts" can verify the veracity of their conclusions.
So far no scientist or "expert" has provided written documentation proving that the methods they used to reach their conclusion was incorrect or a result of bias.
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I didn't say that my brother and I would accompany the scientists when they stake out the location to try to get more videos of the animals.
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Nice sleight of hand. Fail.
We are not playing Three Card Monty, dude.
We are just telling the scientific community where we have had our sightings and the time of year and day that we have had them so they can do "in field" research of their own.
We will have no involvement with their "in field" research.
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The data contained in our photos and videos doesn't have to be "extraordinary" to be proof that sea serpents exist. The data contained in our photos and videos only has to "enough" to prove our extraordinary claim is correct..
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Correct.
To someone other than just you you fricking idiot.
By "enough" evidence to prove our extraordinary claim is correct, we mean to everyone besides us, Dufus.
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Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:10 pm to DawgfaninCa
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DawgfaninCa
In the end, your truth belongs to you.
I don't remotely understand how anyone can call you a liar and not know you or your situation from Adam. It's ridiculous. Bottom line is people are scared of what they don't "know" or understand.
There is shite out there in the world that we have never seen yet. shite that would probably blow peoples minds.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:11 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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If my brother and I can't trust someone to respect our wishes not to post any portion of the videos on the internet without first getting our permission then we can't trust them to do an unbiased analysis of the videos.
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He didn't even say it.
Someone else said bmy would definitely post all of the videos anyway so that makes us doubt whether he will be telling the truth if he agrees not to publish any portion of our videos without first getting our permission.
If we have any doubt that someone will abide by our requirements then we will not send them our videos.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:12 pm to CoachDon
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In the end, your truth belongs to you.
I don't remotely understand how anyone can call you a liar and not know you or your situation from Adam. It's ridiculous. Bottom line is people are scared of what they don't "know" or understand.
There is shite out there in the world that we have never seen yet. shite that would probably blow peoples minds.
You are absolutely correct.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:26 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Proof isn't proof only to those people who hold onto their blind beliefs like the biased skeptics and scientists who blindly believe that it is impossible for sea serpents to exist.
If your "proof" doesn't sway ANY experts in the given field, it, BY DEFINITION, isn't "proof".
quote:The personal attacks come as a result of your intransigence and dishonesty.
Reasonable skepticism is to be expected and welcomed but personal attacks against someone making an extraordinary claim are not reasonable.
quote:They don't "must" have to anything.
That's why any "scientist" who examines our videos must provide written documentation explaining how and why they reached their conclusion like Clifford Paiva and Bruce Champagne did.
The claimant doesn't get to dictate to everyone else.
quote:That's so laughable it should embarrass you.
So far no scientist or "expert" has provided written documentation proving that the methods they used to reach their conclusion was incorrect or a result of bias.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:27 pm to DawgfaninCa
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If we have any doubt that someone will abide by our requirements then we will not send them our videos.
Well that's convenient.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:29 pm to CoachDon
quote:Because he's a liar. I mean, he's lied repeatedly in this thread.
I don't remotely understand how anyone can call you a liar
quote:Why would I be scared to find out a Sea Serpent of some sort lived in the Ocean?
Bottom line is people are scared of what they don't "know" or understand.
Lots of shite lives in the ocean that's scary. And, we haven't found it all.
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There is shite out there in the world that we have never seen yet. shite that would probably blow peoples minds.
Just because a thing can exist doesn't mean all claims to having seen said thing should be considered credible.
That's basic shite right there.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:35 pm to CoachDon
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don't remotely understand how anyone can call you a liar and not know you or your situation from Adam. It's ridiculous. Bottom line is people are scared of what they don't "know" or understand.
No one is scared of admitting a "new" species exist. It happens all the time. But someone in this thread IS scared. And that person is the one throwing shite on everyone else for asking for proof and calling them skeptics and liars and idiots for simply asking to view his evidence.
I've been called a skeptic by him multiple times. Yet I fully believe what he saw is a possibility. I've yet to say sea serpents don't exist or they're fantasy or anything. All I've been asking is for him to post the pics and videos for us to see.
Him being so dense and afraid to share his evidence, all the while making fun of the "non-believers" for questioning his evidence, is completely asinine and counterintuitive.
All he has to do is lay fourth his evidence yet he refuses to do so. Which is a massive red flag that says he's talking out of his arse.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:38 pm to beerJeep
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Him being so dense and afraid to share his evidence, all the while making fun of the "non-believers" for questioning his evidence, is completely asinine and counterintuitive.
And he's been at this shite for YEARS.
He'll go to his death bed without handing over his evidence for EVERYONE to examine.
THAT is how you know he's a liar.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:45 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Someone else
Indeed.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:58 pm to DawgfaninCa
Who said I would post it? I don't really have anything to gain by doing that. Plus, I've been interested in crypto stuff since before the black vault turned into ATS lmao.
Unexplained green gas/thing floating through the sky in broad daylight will spark that interest.
Unexplained green gas/thing floating through the sky in broad daylight will spark that interest.
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:06 pm to ShortyRob
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And he's been at this shite for YEARS.
He'll go to his death bed without handing over his evidence for EVERYONE to examine.
THAT is how you know he's a liar.
First of all, it's my brother as well as me so don't make it appear like it's just me.
It's very typical of skeptics like you to say we may have to go for decades and maybe even die before the scientific community accepts our extraordinary claim then put us down because we have tried for decades to tell the scientific community about our close definitive sighting of a sea serpent on February 5, 1985 and to get one of them to do some "in field" research at the SF Bay location.
Then after we finally got a video and had an "expert", that Jan Sandberg of GUST recommended, analyze the video who provided written documentation explaining how and why he came to the conclusion that the video contains images of several large unknown serpentine marine animals at least 75 feet in length, we informed members of the scientific community about the video and Paiva's analysis and invited them to have an "expert" of their own analyze the video.
So-called scientists like Dr. McCosker refused to look at the video for fear of having their reputation and careers ruined if their peers found out they were even looking at a video that purported to have images of sea serpents in it.
BTW, that was why Dr. McCosker told his secretary to tell us to leave immediately or else she was instructed to call the police.
Dr. McCosker's secretary told us at the time that Dr. McCosker did not want any of his peers to see us hanging around his office because if they found out we were there to talk to him about sea serpents then it could destroy his reputation and ruin his career.
We respected his request and left the building immediately and without causing a scene.
Since that day, we have NEVER tried to contact Dr. McCosker again.
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:24 pm to DawgfaninCa
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It's very typical of skeptics like you to say we may have to go for decades and maybe even die before the scientific community accepts our extraordinary claim then put us down because we have tried for decades to tell the scientific community about our close definitive sighting of a sea serpent on February 5, 1985 and to get one of them to do some "in field" research at the SF Bay location.
Then after we finally got a video and had an "expert", that Jan Sandberg of GUST recommended, analyze the video who provided written documentation explaining how and why he came to the conclusion that the video contains images of several large unknown serpentine marine animals at least 75 feet in length, we informed members of the scientific community about the video and Paiva's analysis and invited them to have an "expert" of their own analyze the video.
So-called scientists like Dr. McCosker refused to look at the video for fear of having their reputation and careers ruined if their peers found out they were even looking at a video that purported to have images of sea serpents in it.
BTW, that was why Dr. McCosker told his secretary to tell us to leave immediately or else she was instructed to call the police.
Dr. McCosker's secretary told us at the time that Dr. McCosker did not want any of his peers to see us hanging around his office because if they found out we were there to talk to him about sea serpents then it could destroy his reputation and ruin his career.
We respected his request and left the building immediately and without causing a scene.
Since that day, we have NEVER tried to contact Dr. McCosker again.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:33 pm to beerJeep
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don't remotely understand how anyone can call you a liar and not know you or your situation from Adam. It's ridiculous. Bottom line is people are scared of what they don't "know" or understand.
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No one is scared of admitting a "new" species exist. It happens all the time.
Meh, most of the time it is a small animal that scientists haven't been saying for hundreds of years is impossible to exist.
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I've been called a skeptic by him multiple times. Yet I fully believe what he saw is a possibility. I've yet to say sea serpents don't exist or they're fantasy or anything. All I've been asking is for him to post the pics and videos for us to see.
Him being so dense and afraid to share his evidence, all the while making fun of the "non-believers" for questioning his evidence, is completely asinine and counterintuitive.
I've had many people on several websites tell me they aren't a biased skeptic as they act just like a biased skeptic and personally attack my brother and me.
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...he's talking out of his arse.
This is a perfect example of what I am talking about.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:34 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:OK.
First of all, it's my brother as well as me so don't make it appear like it's just me.
You're both liars.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:34 pm to LSUfanNkaty
Video cameras don't smoke weed.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:35 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:Link to scientists saying for 100s of years that it's impossible for large unknown sea creatures to exist.
Meh, most of the time it is a small animal that scientists haven't been saying for hundreds of years is impossible to exist.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:41 pm to ShortyRob
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First of all, it's my brother as well as me so don't make it appear like it's just me.
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OK.
You're both liars.
It would be much more difficult for two people who are liars to lie on a polygraph test and both of them pass the polygraph test than for one person who is a liar to lie on a polygraph test and pass the polygraph test.
Put your money where your big mouth is and set up a polygraph test for both of us to take.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:52 pm to ShortyRob
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Link to scientists saying for 100s of years that it's impossible for large unknown sea creatures to exist.
I never said scientists have said it's impossible for large unknown sea creatures to exist.
They have said it is impossible for a large unknown serpentine marine animal to exist that moves using vertical undulations.
That type of animal is commonly called a sea serpent and is a perfect description of the animal we have sighted in SF Bay on several occasions for over 30 years.
It is the specific type of large unknown sea creature that scientists have been saying for hundreds of years doesn't exist because it is impossible for it to exist.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:56 pm to DawgfaninCa
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They have said it is impossible for a large unknown serpentine marine animal to exist that moves using vertical undulations
Link to that from a consensus of scientists spanning hundreds of years.
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