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re: Jury rules against dad trying to save his 7-year-old from gender ‘transition’
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:00 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:00 pm to AggieHank86
Hey, bro, I want to read the medical journal you're getting this from. I need some CME's.
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:00 pm to Godfather1
quote:I know that you will not see the point, but I find it ridiculously disingenuous that everyone on this thread continues to use this “chemical castration of a seven-year-old” terminology.
=/= chemically castrating your 7 year old child because it’s what YOU want to do.
I provided links to the expert testimony, of the experts presented by the MOTHER. Absolutely none of them are recommending puberty blocking hormones at this point in time.
With near unanimity, they have testified that sort of treatment is at least three or four years down the line ... assuming that it is ever called for at all. They have also indicated that because the child is still gender fluid, that course of action may not be recommended even at age 11 or 12.
this was most definitely not a case about strapping the child to a gurney and rushing him from the courthouse immediately to a gender reassignment surgery center. The case was about the mother wanting to let the gender issues play themselves out, and the father wanting to force male gender upon a child who for whatever reason is gender neutral at this point in time.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:00 pm to RebelExpress38
Imagine having to do the mental gymnastics required to support this but also oppose FGM.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:02 pm to AggieHank86
quote:I should point out that the more important thing making his comparison absurd is the element of time.
How is this even remotely relevant? The child we are discussing does not have a medical ailment.
A dying child......by definition...…….is...……..well...……...dying. The decision, whatever it is, can't wait.
A gender dysphoric kid...……...even if he is going to end up in the 2% who stay that way after puberty, can, quite obviously, wait till after puberty and more importantly..........till an age where they can REALLY participate in the decision making.........to do PERMANENT shite to themselves.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:02 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
about strapping the child to a gurney and rushing him from the courthouse immediately to a gender reassignment surgery center
Yep, we are the one's engaging in emotional hyperbole.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:03 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Did you even bother to read the three articles that I went? They did a nice job of summarizing the mothers experts, all of whom agreed with you, with me, and with Dr. Deborah so that puberty blocking hormones are not indicated until the child is 10 or 11 years of age, at a minimum.
You've already admitted the "evidence is scant" and that the bulk of the experts DISagree with these idiots.
Again, this case is not about strapping the seven-year-old to a gurney and rushing into reassignment surgery. It is about one parent who is willing to let the issue play out naturally over several years, and the other parent who wants to force a fixed gender upon this child.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:04 pm to AggieHank86
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come on, Flats, do not be disingenuous
I'm acknowledging that we can't and shouldn't try to have laws for every single circumstance. I've never said otherwise. But we don't debate "gee, maybe it's ok sometimes to arse rape a child, maybe we should leave it up to the judge" and I don't think this is debatable either. There is no need for judicial discretion on this issue; none. We should protect them from this just as surely as we should protect them from clitorectomies, which you somehow seem to champion without all of your histrionics about a nanny state and the extinction of judicial discretion.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:04 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Cool beans
I provided links to the expert testimony, of the experts presented by the MOTHER. Absolutely none of them are recommending puberty blocking hormones at this point in time.
We already know she's abusing the child by telling him he's a girl and has been for years. With an eye towards, eventually, castrating his arse.
Since you like analogies so much.
If I started at age 3 telling my daughter that the only person she should ever frick...…….is me...……...with an eye toward manipulating her into LETTING me when she's 16...…………
Well, you figure it out
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:04 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:Again, NO ONE is recommending that course of action. Please read those summaries of the expert testimony.
What's the available sample size on 7-year-old physical gender reassignment they're looking at to draw such conclusions in their learned field?
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:05 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Still prepubescent. Still below age at which a child can make adult decisions. Still abuse.
10 or 11 years of age, at a minimum.
Thanks for confirming AGAIN.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:05 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Appeals to experts.
Really?
6 year old gender transition is supported EVIDENCE BASED MEDICINE? Championed by who?
The medical community at large? Link?
You done stepped in it now.
This is worth posting again. Do you want to engage me on medical science, Hank?
You brought this angle up, but I really don't think you wanna go there, it is decidedly not your element. Of that I am sure.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:06 pm to Robin Masters
quote:Call it what you will. If you need advice on welding, seek it from your nanny for all I care. I will rely upon a welder.
Appeal to authority is the most common lefty fallacy. Aka as the “settled science” doctrine. Aka the sun revolves around the earth assumtive.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:06 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
If I need to know something about welding, I will ask a welder, ...not a cafeteria worker.
To borrow a phrase, if you believe this issue is in any way comparable to an objective science like welding, you're just not that bright.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:07 pm to AggieHank86
quote:If I need advice on welding...……..and almost all welders tell me one things...……….but some radical subset of welders tells me to use plastic for the welds...……...I'll do as you suggested......and go with the experts.
Call it what you will. If you need advice on welding, seek it from your nanny for all I care. I will rely upon a welder.
So, your own argument guts your argument.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:07 pm to AggieHank86
Since you like analogies so much.
If I started at age 3 telling my daughter that the only person she should ever frick...…….is me...……...with an eye toward manipulating her into LETTING me when she's 16...…………
Well, you figure it ou
If I started at age 3 telling my daughter that the only person she should ever frick...…….is me...……...with an eye toward manipulating her into LETTING me when she's 16...…………
Well, you figure it ou
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:07 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
I know that you will not see the point, but I find it ridiculously disingenuous that everyone on this thread continues to use this “chemical castration of a seven-year-old” terminology.
Fine, Hank. Deflect by parsing it any way you choose.
MY point (which YOU clearly ignored) was that your analogy sucked.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:08 pm to ShortyRob
quote:I am slowly coming to the conclusion that you are simply incapable of being honest.
admitting earlier in the thread that said "experts" are a minority in the area of "experts".
What I said was that the experts who would recommend some sort of medical reassignment at age 7 or in the distinct minority. That is not something that any expert in this case was recommending, and it is apparently not a course that the mother is pursuing.
Give homesty a chance. You might find it refreshing.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:09 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
I am slowly coming to the conclusion that you are simply incapable of being honest.
Project much
quote:Then why are you going with a "distinct minority" of said experts?
What I said was that the experts who would recommend some sort of medical reassignment at age 7 or in the distinct minority
That's weird.
quote:
Give homesty a chance. You might find it refreshing.
You saying that in this thread is just absurd in the extremePosted on 10/22/19 at 5:10 pm to Flats
He is no longer in his wheelhouse
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:10 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Which seems to be the course of action that was being recommended by the vast majority of the mothers experts, with the possible exception of that Rainbow person. As I recall, she was a bit equivocal.
A gender dysphoric kid...……...even if he is going to end up in the 2% who stay that way after puberty, can, quite obviously, wait till after puberty and more importantly..........till an age where they can REALLY participate in the decision making.........to do PERMANENT shite to themselves.
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