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re: Judge says White House defying order to spend funds

Posted on 2/12/25 at 10:15 am to
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 10:15 am to
Someone correct me if I misunderstand

Congressional budgets allocate funding for certain departments, yes? Are the spending bills any more specific than that? Can the acting head of an agency direct all of their allocated funding wherever they want? Why or why not?
This post was edited on 2/12/25 at 10:16 am
Posted by BeepBopBoop
Northshore
Member since Dec 2023
1419 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 10:15 am to
So, allow these people to steal tax dollars or go to jail. There needs to be a revolt.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
42294 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 10:20 am to
Posted by Louisianalabguy
Member since Jul 2017
1933 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 10:22 am to
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followed by fines or, theoretically, imprisonment.

Who's going to arrest and prosecute?
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30551 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 10:23 am to
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why they weren't in contempt of court


easy peasy... The funds in question we identified to be waste, fraud, and abuse of taxpayer funds therefore releasing them at this point would make the administration complicit in perpetuating this fraud on the American people...

In other words, go frick yourself...
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
12200 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 10:23 am to
Ignore these activist judges until the Supreme Court rules on it.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4703 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 10:25 am to
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No one gives a frick what you think


I'll give you a WAR EAGLE for that!
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23781 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 10:31 am to
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I mean, do these judges even have this authority?


No. But will have to play out in the courts for final decision.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23781 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 10:35 am to
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I mean, do these judges even have this authority?


I posted this yesterday. It's a good, easy to understand explanation.


quote:

“Donald Trump’s actions since his inauguration have caused public discussion of some questions in Constitutional law.

I’m not a lawyer. But I have more than a passing acquaintance with Constitutional law – I’ve been studying it ever since I was an individual amicus in the Supreme Court case that struck down the Communications Decency Act back in the 1990s.

After 30 years of studying issues around the First and Second amendment and the doctrine of judicial review, I have some thoughts.

There are several intermingled issues here.

First: when JD Vance says that the courts do not have the authority to intervene in the administration of the executive branch, he is probably correct.

The judicial review power is generally considered to extend modifying or striking down laws, not to allowing any judge to interfere in the president’s administrative authority over the executive branch.

Second, any judge that rules that the Treasury of the Secretary may not have unlimited access to Treasury department data is setting himself up for reversal. This has never been litigated because it’s a ridiculous overreach that has never been attempted before.

Third, there are serious questions about the authority of federal judges below the level of the Supreme Court (what the Constitution explicitly calls “inferior” courts) that may now be forced to a resolution.

For purposes of separation of powers, only the Supreme Court itself is considered co-equal to the executive and legislative branches. Inferior judges are not.

One question, therefore, is whether the President may assert separation of powers as a defense against rulings of an inferior judge. Certainly, invoking separation of powers against a ruling of the Supreme Court itself would trigger a constitutional crisis, but that’s not the situation we’re talking about here.

This has not been litigated, but I think the President is likely to prevail on the question.

The fourth question is about the authority of federal circuit court judges to issue injunctions with nationwide effects outside the circuit where they have formal authority.

Until very recently, federal judges were so reluctant to raise this Constitutional issue that they almost never issued such injunctions. They issued injunctions only for their own circuits and left it to the Supreme Court to resolve questions about nationwide application.

But nationwide injunctions in contentious cases have become more common recently, and it is likely that the Supreme Court will be forced to address whether inferior-court federal judges do in fact have nationwide authority.

I think it is quite unlikely that the Supreme Court will affirm this.

I am not addressing here the question of whether I think Trump and DOGE’s authority to block Treasury payments should prevail. I am predicting that it almost certainly will prevail.”
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
89024 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 10:36 am to
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Will he put people in jail?


He’d better be packing heat, handcuffs and going door-to-door making arrests himself if that’s his plan.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
14048 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 10:42 am to
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U.S. District Judge John McConnell said the Trump administration's ongoing and "likely unconstitutional" pauses in funding "violate the plain text" of his Jan. 31 restraining order, and he ordered the White House to "immediately take every step necessary to effectuate" the "clear and unambiguous" directive.



Poor buddy is realizing that he has no enforcement mechanism for his wide judicial activist overreach. The executive running the executive branch is not unconstitutional.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 10:44 am to
The Executive Trump is providing a constitutionally required law enforcement action against fraud. These judicial orders are in conflict with preventing potentially criminal activity and they are potentially obstructing justice.

Trump just needs to continue to enforce the law via is constitutional duty and also placate the judges' misguided orders through WH counsel.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 10:47 am to
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Are the spending bills any more specific than that?


All these congressional bills contain waste fraud and abuse clauses in them for the Executive to enforce. Many if not all of the bills have auditing and reporting requirements also.

Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
5439 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 10:51 am to
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I mean, do these judges even have a relative working for USAID, Education, democrat fundraiser, or affiliated charity NGO?



Fixed.


needed one more tweek
Posted by Wolfwireless
Member since Aug 2024
4783 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:07 am to
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maybe this judge should arrest Trump.

FAFO

70 million Americans voted for what he's doing,

SCOTUS already ruled that the sitting president has immunity. I don't see how a lower court judge could order that.
But OMG would it be satisfying to see the look on his face if he tried!
Posted by Wolfwireless
Member since Aug 2024
4783 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:09 am to
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Am I missing something or did the specific congressional order have timelines or % that had to be spent by certain dates?

That's a really good point.
I'm thinking that there isn't a timeline. Or Bondi and DOJ would be firing back harder by now.
Posted by Wolfwireless
Member since Aug 2024
4783 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:10 am to
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This is beyond insanity.

Just goes to show how the Dems have weaponized most of the system, doesn't it?
Posted by StPeteLSU
St Petersburg, FL
Member since Oct 2011
2072 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:33 am to
So a divorce lawyer huh ? Lol
Posted by Hondo Blacksheep
Member since Jul 2022
3132 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:36 am to
This dude's daughter works for the Department of Education, and directly benefits from this decision.

And he's a Democrat. Of course he's corrupt.
Posted by terd ferguson
Darren Wilson Fan Club President
Member since Aug 2007
114938 posts
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:41 am to
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"likely unconstitutional"


That's his argument?
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