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re: Judge Cannon Hands Trump His Second Major Win in 24 Hours

Posted on 6/5/24 at 7:52 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 6/5/24 at 7:52 pm to
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You say literally a lot


Intentionally.

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You are getting beat up

By posting the actual law and not hopium?
Posted by Datbawwwww
Member since Oct 2023
468 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 7:54 pm to
Are you misgendered me? That’s a form of harassment! I should report you to the board moderators!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476597 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 7:55 pm to
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Are you misgendered me?




Posted by therick711
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Posted on 6/5/24 at 7:56 pm to
How long did Roe stand before Casey? How long did Casey stand until Dobbs?

Much different court composition since Nixon was in office. I think it's interesting if the AG has always had plenary power to appoint a special counsel with nationwide jurisdiction, why did congress think it needed to pass a specific law authorizing that power which sunsetted by its own terms and wasn't renewed?
Posted by AquaAg84
Member since May 2013
3871 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 7:56 pm to
SFP just as Hank spends an inordinate amount of time posing as an informed 'lawyer' on a message board. Again suspecting an alter. Some things to connect have not been apparent such as Hank's use of ALL CAPS when desperate to make a point. But the schtick remains the same otherwise.
Posted by Datbawwwww
Member since Oct 2023
468 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:02 pm to
You know better than to assume any identity in 2024, you should be ashamed of yourself! To call me “brother”, really? You know NOTHING about me. I’m offended! I’m gonna reach out to chicken, your account needs to be suspended! The NERVE!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476597 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:03 pm to
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Much different court composition since Nixon was in office

We know there will be almost 4 autos for precedent (3 liberals and Roberts, who doesn't want to make the court political).

ACB is a lot like Roberts outside of abortion, in that she doesn't want the court political and creating unnecessary issues (like her concurrence in the Colorado case)

Kavabaugh is all about the bureaucracy and protecting just this sort of action

Is it possible they lose both? Yes, but I think it's highly unlikely. I'd put money at 6-3 or even 7-2 if I got the odds. Didn't Gorsuch author the opinion butchering the CRA for trans people because they were boxed in with precedent?
Posted by Beauw
Blanchard
Member since Sep 2007
4223 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:04 pm to
They certainly don’t like it when Judges make their lives difficult.
Posted by kbro
North Carolina, via NOLA
Member since Jan 2007
5333 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:05 pm to
Had PI been called on Robey-Coleman against Lewis in 2019 NFCCG, do you think the Saints go on to win the Superbowl?

None of us knows, but you can provide your opinion.

Had Trump announced 18 mos ago that he wouldn’t run in 2024, do you think this case would have come to a trial in 2024?
Posted by HoopsAurora
Member since Apr 2024
1880 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:06 pm to
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Yeah me saying I think a bunch of his rulings are all but guaranteed to be overturned is the upmost support of him Try to lie better.


Yiou acknowledging it will be overturned because even you know it's bullschiff, is not the same as you supporting every dishonest/illegal/unconstitutional thing that pos did.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 8:08 pm
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71040 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:06 pm to
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Is it possible they lose both? Yes, but I think it's highly unlikely. I'd put money at 6-3 or even 7-2 if I got the odds. Didn't Gorsuch author the opinion butchering the CRA for trans people because they were boxed in with precedent?


Now you're fortune telling before hearing the actual arguments and before the actual decision?

I might follow you around for that silly "tell the future from an alternate past" nonsense until you admit it was nonsense.
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:07 pm to
Again, if the attorney general had and always had plenary power to appoint special counsels with nationwide jurisdiction, why did congress think it had to pass the independent counsel statute those many moons ago which sunsetted and wasn't renewed? Did they not read the Nixon precedent? You have to admit, it's kind of strange if this is so cut and dry.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 8:08 pm
Posted by chili pup
Member since Sep 2011
3697 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:12 pm to
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He is perfectly willing to answer hundreds of questions across countless threads


Something is up with him almost having a half million posts here.

Sounds like he has nothing more to do.

Wonder if the Cluck has him on payroll
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 8:15 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476597 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:14 pm to
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Had Trump announced 18 mos ago that he wouldn’t run in 2024, do you think this case would have come to a trial in 2024?


I don't think they would have filed an indictment against Trump until he gave him a solid crime, which he ultimately did with the obstruction-related stuff.

The rest of that case is window dressing to me.
Posted by GRTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
71040 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:16 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476597 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:16 pm to
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Again, if the attorney general had and always had plenary power to appoint special counsels with nationwide jurisdiction, why did congress think it had to pass the independent counsel statute those many moons ago which sunsetted and wasn't renewed? Did they not read the Nixon precedent? You have to admit, it's kind of strange if this is so cut and dry.

That's why I brought up that CRA/trans case with Gorsuch, b/c Congress clearly didn't anticipate anything other that biological sex with the word "sex" in the statute. Gorsuch disagreed with Congressional intent and how they viewed the necessity of the law as it related to the issues of the time.
Posted by kbro
North Carolina, via NOLA
Member since Jan 2007
5333 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:17 pm to
I’ll take all of that as a no.

Thank you for your honesty.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
26134 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:20 pm to
That has nothing to do with what I pointed out. That's why I pointed it out again. It's the exact opposite case in fact.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 8:22 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476597 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:23 pm to
Gorsuch has shown he doesn't care what Congress thinks it is doing when they create laws, what their justification is, or what Congress meant by the words of their statute, if boxed in with precedent.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
26134 posts
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:26 pm to
There isn't a statute anymore. It expired. It's why the reasoning has no force. Also, the Gorsuch opinion you're referencing claims to be textual. Even the dissents point out he's claiming a textualist ground. But no matter, it doesn't really have any relevance to what we're talking about, other than you should probably read the opinion again.

Also, why did the Reagan and Clinton administrations, and Ken Starr himself all claim the independent counsel/special prosecutor laws were unconstitutional if the attorney general has and always had plenary power to appoint a special counsel with nationwide jurisdiction? So it's unconstitutional when done by statute duly enacted by congress and signed into law, but constitutional when done by fiat of the attorney general?
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 8:47 pm
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