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re: Judge Beryl Howell goes all in blocks another Trump EO - Perkins Coie

Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:15 am to
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:15 am to
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So once a security clearance is issued does it stay forever?


Only Democrat law firm security clearance have to remain forever. It is written in the constitution somewhere.

Biden removing Thump's is okay.

Trump removing Biden's is also okay because Democrats know that Biden doesn't GAF and probably doesn't know what a security clearance is.

But removing security clearances from deep state lawyers against Trump is a bridge too far for the judiciary and they can read the words in the constitution under the Trump-Can't-Do-This clause.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6363 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:18 am to
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No, I understand how the first amendment works.


I don't think you do. The 1st does not give you the right to have security clearances.





Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465159 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:19 am to
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Only Democrat law firm security clearance have to remain forever. It is written in the constitution somewhere.

I guess this counts as a white flag

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Biden removing Thump's is okay.

Trump removing Biden's is also okay because Democrats know that Biden doesn't GAF and probably doesn't know what a security clearance is.

What a pivot

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But removing security clearances from deep state lawyers

And there is the manufactured crisis for NPCs to promote
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465159 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:19 am to
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The 1st does not give you the right to have security clearances.

Literally nobody is arguing that it does.

The 1st Amendment does, however, prohibit the denial of a security clearance due to viewpoint discrimination.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
83659 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:21 am to
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The 1st Amendment does, however, prohibit the denial of a security clearance due to viewpoint discrimination.

If I had communist viewpoints in my past I never would have attained a top secret security clearance.
Posted by LuckyTiger
Someone's Alter
Member since Dec 2008
50833 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:22 am to
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Using the powers of the federal government to target lawyers for their representation of clients and avowed progressive employment policies in an overt attempt to suppress and punish certain viewpoints, however, is contrary to the Constitution


First, their viewpoints are irrelevant and not pertinent. Perkins Coke is a domestic security risk for the United States and the Constitution because its actions were a coordinated attack to overthrow the elected government of the United States through false, subversive, and overt acts.
Posted by FriendofBaruch
Member since Mar 2025
878 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:24 am to
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quote: I don't see security clearance anywhere in the 1st Amendment.

Don't be retarded
speaking of pro bono contribution
Posted by G2160
houston
Member since May 2013
2052 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:25 am to
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If those denied can prove they were denied for viewpoint discrimination, then the EO is unconstitutional.


Was biden not nominating a conservative judge to SCOTUS also viewpoint discrimination?
Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
7976 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:25 am to
If these esteemed judges can't control security clearances they may just go on unhinged tirades in court at the tops of their voices.

Their words, their thoughts, their bowel movements are sacrosanct.

Who cares if years are wasted before someone with common sense (who somehow got on a bench) points out how idiotic the ruling is. The "process" was brought down from a mountain by a prophet.

and irony of ironies, some of the same assholes who support this call Trump supporters a "cult"

The very same type of arguments gave the a-hole who was executed in Florida this week for killing 3 kids execution style another 26 years of life. Stretch it out. Get more billable hours.

Only the process matters. Well, that and lawyers getting paid.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6363 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:25 am to
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Literally nobody is arguing that it does.



Literally, your alter was!
Posted by LuckyTiger
Someone's Alter
Member since Dec 2008
50833 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:26 am to
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Would you feel the same if a Democrat did the same thing?


Absolutely. If that private law firm was engaged in overthrowing a duly elected government through known false and subservient actions, I would hope their security clearance would be revoked.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465159 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:26 am to
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Was biden not nominating a conservative judge to SCOTUS also viewpoint discrimination?

This may be the most irrelevant comment on this board in 2025 so far, which is saying something
Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
7976 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:27 am to
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This may be the most irrelevant comment on this board in 2025 so far, which is saying something


another post to extend the thread, just like court, right? cha-ching!
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
39411 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:27 am to
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First, their viewpoints are irrelevant and not pertinent. Perkins Coke is a domestic security risk for the United States and the Constitution because its actions were a coordinated attack to overthrow the elected government of the United States through false, subversive, and overt acts.


Worth repeating. I believe it’s all provable as well.

The judge just casually overlooked this.

Same thing with the invasion and two judges blocking deportation.

Lawfare is real.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465159 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:28 am to
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If I had communist viewpoints in my past I never would have attained a top secret security clearance.

The more apt comparison would be stripping the security clearance of a law firm defending someone accused of being a Communist.
Posted by G2160
houston
Member since May 2013
2052 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:28 am to
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This may be the most irrelevant comment on this board in 2025 so far, which is saying something


I could’ve picked any number of partisan actions taken by the party in control, but I picked this one.

Now, please tell me how viewpoint discrimination was not involved in this nomination.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465159 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:29 am to
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The judge just casually overlooked this.

Naw. The problem is that's just histrionics for the echo chamber crowd. It's not really based in reality.

Based on that argument, any political campaigning for the losing side is now "attempting to overthrow an elected government", which is patently absurd.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
83659 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:30 am to
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The more apt comparison would be stripping the security clearance of a law firm defending someone accused of being a Communist.

Irrelevant to my point.

Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
92236 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:30 am to
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FYI Perkins worked with Russian intelligence assets to try and frame the president.


Good. Tell Trump to quit being a bitch and charge someone then.

You can’t unilaterally single out one entity because you don’t like them or they hurt your feels.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6363 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:30 am to
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The more apt comparison would be stripping the security clearance of a law firm defending someone accused of being a Communist.


Once again, as pointed out already:

Perkins Coke is a domestic security risk for the United States and the Constitution because its actions were a coordinated attack to overthrow the elected government of the United States through false, subversive, and overt acts.
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