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re: Judge Amy Berman Jackson Rules the Bureaucracy Controls the Executive Branch, Not POTUS
Posted on 3/2/25 at 10:49 am to Jbird
Posted on 3/2/25 at 10:49 am to Jbird
quote:
So Alabama only needs one coordinator not one for offense and one for defense.
No. They have one coach.
Then 2 coordinators.
All the way to 100 analysts.
Still one coach.
And that ignored the question, but I can still explain how your response was silly.
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Posted on 3/2/25 at 10:50 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Like one President.
Still one coach.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 10:50 am to Diego Ricardo
quote:
What you call lawfare is just a country working as intended. Hell, the conservatives came up with some people with no genuine standing to have the student loan forgiveness from Biden axed.
Correct. And nobody called that lawfare.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 10:50 am to SlowFlowPro
The APA is also not some gotcha.
You are interpreting my argument as saying the executive has supreme power to do anything.
I’m not saying that at all. He still is beholden to laws and the constitution.
The APA just makes sure regulations don’t violate the constitution or any existing laws.
The executive should not be making laws.
But if he wants the USDA to work on border security, they can.
If he wants the Department of Education to work on environmental issues, they can.
You are interpreting my argument as saying the executive has supreme power to do anything.
I’m not saying that at all. He still is beholden to laws and the constitution.
The APA just makes sure regulations don’t violate the constitution or any existing laws.
The executive should not be making laws.
But if he wants the USDA to work on border security, they can.
If he wants the Department of Education to work on environmental issues, they can.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 10:50 am to Jbird
quote:
Like one President.
That's how the UET would work.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 10:52 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:
You are interpreting my argument as saying the executive has supreme power to do anything.
That's the ultimate outcome of your position.
I agree it's silly.
quote:
He still is beholden to laws
Up for debate.
quote:
The APA just makes sure regulations don’t violate the constitution or any existing laws.
No. It does not.
It creates a mandatory process to enact policies/regulations. It has very little, if anything, to do with the Constitution.
quote:
But if he wants the USDA to work on border security, they can.
If he wants the Department of Education to work on environmental issues, they can.
quote:
He still is beholden to laws
Posted on 3/2/25 at 10:53 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
So why do we have multiple agencies, cabinet positions, etc?
Posted on 3/2/25 at 10:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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For one with a term, I already answered that. This would only be theoretically available if the term was over in that time period regardless.
Yea, terms never end early. People don’t die, retire, quit, etc.
It would be theoretically possible for the position to be made open by an outgoing president.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 10:53 am to Jbird
Because the UET has never been recognized as how our system works.
That's why we have multiple agencies, cabinet positions, etc
That's why we have multiple agencies, cabinet positions, etc
This post was edited on 3/2/25 at 10:55 am
Posted on 3/2/25 at 10:54 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:
Yea, terms never end early. People don’t die, retire, quit, etc.
They would only have the remainder of the old term.
quote:
It would be theoretically possible for the position to be made open by an outgoing president.
With a definite end already established.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 10:55 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:With one Executive.
That's why we have multiple agencies, cabinet positions, etc?
Posted on 3/2/25 at 10:55 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
That's the ultimate outcome of your position.
No it’s not.
Not even close.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 10:57 am to Jbird
quote:
With one Executive.
With limited powers in the Constitution who can act pursuant to limited authority and direction granted by Congress.
The UET rejects this, and under the UET, it makes no sense to have multiple agencies, cabinet positions, etc.
So, you have to ask, if the UET is how the Founders saw it, why did they immediately begin to act in such a superfluous manner? It boggles the mind.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 10:58 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:
No it’s not.
Not even close.
Me:
quote:
How can congress install any limits on any executive agency?
You:
quote:
They can’t, except through funding.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:02 am to GumboPot
Funny...
Article II, Section 1, Clause 1:
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America....
Pretty fricking simple, actually.
Article II, Section 1, Clause 1:
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America....
Pretty fricking simple, actually.
This post was edited on 3/2/25 at 11:07 am
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:10 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Specifically set out in legislation.
With limited powers in the Constitution who can act pursuant to limited authority and direction granted by Congress.
quote:Only in your logical extension argument.
The UET rejects this, and under the UET, it makes no sense to have multiple agencies, cabinet positions, etc.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:16 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Because the UET has never been recognized as how our system works.
The unitary executive is precisely how our system was set up.
quote:
That's why we have multiple agencies, cabinet positions, etc
This might be the dumbest thing you've ever posted. This is akin to saying employees at Tesla are independent from Elon.
You are trying to reduce the presidency to a figurehead position.
The President is the Unitary Executive. That is how it was set up. That is how our system was always intended to operate.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:18 am to Placekicker
There is no reason for a court system at all. Trump lovingly holds us all in the palms of his hands
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:21 am to SlowFlowPro
From an operational standpoint, which is what we were discussing, that is accurate.
But an executive can’t make new laws and can’t violate the constitution.
Executive Orders should only be to clarify priorities and operational plans and directives. Not make laws.
You are extrapolating my claim of operational independence as some kind of supreme authority.
The executive is still beholden to the law. But those laws also cannot be unconstitutional and violate the separation of powers, as the current administration apparently believes the issue at hand in this thread does.
But an executive can’t make new laws and can’t violate the constitution.
Executive Orders should only be to clarify priorities and operational plans and directives. Not make laws.
You are extrapolating my claim of operational independence as some kind of supreme authority.
The executive is still beholden to the law. But those laws also cannot be unconstitutional and violate the separation of powers, as the current administration apparently believes the issue at hand in this thread does.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:25 am to FATBOY TIGER
6 minutes and 2 posts later, you Beetlejuiced him right up. 
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