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re: John Durham's Legacy

Posted on 7/24/25 at 12:00 pm to
Posted by Flats
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 12:00 pm to
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Intelligence is subjective, and it was established


Was it established using intelligence?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 12:01 pm to
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Was it established using intelligence?


That was in the definition. You just left it out for some reason

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was found to be credible based on proper analytic tradecraft.
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 12:01 pm to
They are not allowed to go rogue in a total 180 to what their "subjective" intelligence provided you autistic fricktard.
They went against what that "subjective" intelligence provided them because they wanted to destroy Trump.
Someone or several are going to get their asses lit up, likely not Obama, and they are going to do time or cop a plea. You arrogant, foolish clown.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 12:02 pm to
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and they are going to do time or cop a plea.

Who?

What do you want to bet?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 12:05 pm to
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was found to be credible based on proper analytic tradecraft.


So........subjective intelligence.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 12:06 pm to
I think subjective analysis is the better descriptor, but yes. That's the over-arching point. Intelligence is based in subjectivity and opinion. That gives a lot of leeway for those involved to act nefariously with plenty of cover if it's scrutinized in the future.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 12:15 pm to
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My morality and internal values doesn't permit me to debase myself like that.


This is a lie. We both know you have no moral framework absent the law. The DOJ is moving within the legal framework. So they are completely within your moral framework.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 12:16 pm to
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We both know you have no moral framework absent the law.

No

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The DOJ is moving within the legal framework. So they are completely within your moral framework.

This is how you expand on a strawman in real time
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 12:23 pm to
there’s a literal all you can eat buffet of potential charges for Brennan extending beyond perjury. That’s just the blatantly obvious one. He and Comey will ultimately be your fall guys, and Dems might be ok with that considering they were denied an autopen pardon.
Posted by McChowder
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 12:37 pm to
Uhhh number 1 is false. They did not have evidence the Russians hacked the dnc servers or Hillarys emails.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 12:44 pm to
That’s actually a solid question. I’m not sure they had any direct evidence on either at that time- just “intelligence assessments”. They certainly blamed them straight away.

I’m going to go back and research that one again.

Another interesting one is the theory that the MAL raid was an op to make sure Trump didn’t have a copy of the SVR intelligence on Hillary. Remember this report was of the highest classification and couldn’t even be digitized. Trump declassified it this on his last day in office, but the deep state ignored him and weeks later, were smashing his door in.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 12:44 pm to
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Uhhh number 1 is false.

So Tulsi's recently-released memo is a lie?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 12:45 pm to
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just “intelligence assessments”.

That's all this is, ultimately.

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Another interesting one is the theory that the MAL raid was an op to make sure Trump didn’t have a copy of the SVR intelligence on Hillary. Remember this report was of the highest classification and couldn’t even be digitized. Trump declassified it this on his last day in office, but the deep state ignored him and weeks later, were smashing his door in.

You were doing so well today. Don't go full retard.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 12:51 pm to
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That's all this is, ultimately.


Nah, pretty sure there were some forensics done later that tied one of them back to SVR-linked trolls/hackers.

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You were doing so well today. Don't go full retard.


Shut the frick up
Posted by bstew3006
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:03 pm to
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It's not my spin. That is what they will use, and it will be effective. You can try to frame it however you want, but they get the leeway to do the same within their subjective opinions. It's the ultimate trump card in this scenario.


Exactly, they will use that defense, and yes, it would be effective… if they hadn’t altered intel, omitted key findings, and falsified documents.

that’s the point you keep ignoring! once you cross into manipulating evidence, it’s not just interpretation anymore. It’s intent. And no amount of spinning changes the fact that they got caught engineering a narrative, not analyzing one.

So sure, they’ll try the “subjective judgment” card. But when the record shows deliberate distortion, which is what was just released shows, m that card doesn’t play. It’s not a trump card…it’s a busted flush.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:04 pm to
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Nah, pretty sure there were some forensics done later that tied one of them back to SVR-linked trolls/hackers.

There is underlying datapoints, but analyzing them is subjective, opinion-based intelligence assessment. That's all this is, ultimately.

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Shut the frick up

MAL had nothing to do with Russiagate
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:06 pm to
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if they hadn’t altered intel, omitted key findings, and falsified documents.

They craft the assessments based on their subjective analysis and opinions.

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that’s the point you keep ignoring! once you cross into manipulating evidence, it’s not just interpretation anymore. It’s intent. And no amount of spinning changes the fact that they got caught engineering a narrative, not analyzing one.


Every briefing, memo, etc. has to exclude some evidence based on the subjective whims of the author. Otherwise it would include infinite data/evidence. This editorial power is within the subjective opinions that form the intelligence analysis, strategy, etc.

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But when the record shows deliberate distortion

Every report ever made includes "deliberate distortion" or else it would include all data ever in existence on earth.

That dog won't hunt
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:10 pm to
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They craft the assessments based on their subjective analysis and opinions.

Until Black Jesus wants a different outcome.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:11 pm to
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Until Black Jesus wants a different outcome.

Until Black Jesus, the head of intelligence in America (as a core executive function, no less) has a different opinion-based analysis, and wants a different strategy, you mean?
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:13 pm to
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opinion-based analysis


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ifferent strategy
By strategy you mean a ginned up leaked to the press false narrative then by all means you are correct.
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