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re: Joe Biden did not ignore/defy the Supreme Court re: Student Loans
Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:03 am to NashvilleTider
Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:03 am to NashvilleTider
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The president has total control over the executive - hard stop
US Supreme Court blocks Biden's workplace vaccine mandate
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Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:04 am to PsychTiger
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sfp, dr, dv
Same
Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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but legal under different statutory authority, then there is specifically no issue and nothing was ignored.
What if it’s illegal under the second statutory authority cited? Then it’s a distinction without a difference.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:05 am to DefCon1
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Barry Obama also defied court orders.
They just shell game it. Change a few things to get the wanted resulted, and gaslight that "it's not ignoring".
It's like a kid trying to find loop holes in you telling them not to do something. "I said to take your hands off your brothers toy" *kid puts his finger on it*
Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:05 am to SlowFlowPro
You just reinforced his point. Congratulations.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:05 am to the808bass
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This is axiomatic. To people who think normally.
*who are ignorant to how our government works at the most basic levels.
Only a Schoolhouse Rock level of understanding is required to understand the points being made in OP.
Congress writes laws. They bind government actors within the 4 corners of those laws. Different laws have different authority.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:06 am to SDVTiger
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Yet you are 100% not a lefty totally for cereal
Also claims Trump isnt a real conservative like himself yet Trump is taking an axe to government bloat and he is still in here defending Biden.
Also tried to claim Trump was convicted of Rape
Not a serious human
Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:06 am to SlowFlowPro
This is an irrelevant thread, begging to discuss how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.
Everyone with common sense knows that Biden (or whomever was running his administration) was trying to take money from people that paid their loans and paid their taxes, to forgive the loans for liberal do-nothings that racked up huge debts to colleges for worthless degrees. They conjured up various legal arguments to cover this scam, and people like you enjoy getting in the weeds on details that distract from the blatant theft.
Everyone with common sense knows that Biden (or whomever was running his administration) was trying to take money from people that paid their loans and paid their taxes, to forgive the loans for liberal do-nothings that racked up huge debts to colleges for worthless degrees. They conjured up various legal arguments to cover this scam, and people like you enjoy getting in the weeds on details that distract from the blatant theft.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:06 am to the808bass
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You just reinforced his point.
Except the opposite occurred.
If his point was correct, then the Supreme Court would have no authority to rule in the way they did.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:06 am to SlowFlowPro
You want to ignore that Biden ignored the rules of the PSLF. That’s cool. It doesn’t change that he did.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:07 am to SlowFlowPro
Your thread is correct despite the backlash
A more useful question for you is, have there ever been federal or Supreme Court rulings ignored by the executive? I know the glaring one is Lincoln ignoring the chief justice by removing habeas corpus rather than it being an act of Congress as the justice specified.
Also Andrew Jackson with the Indian removal act had some shaky legality iirc.
But beyond those what come to mind? And lower federal court orders over the years you can think of?
A more useful question for you is, have there ever been federal or Supreme Court rulings ignored by the executive? I know the glaring one is Lincoln ignoring the chief justice by removing habeas corpus rather than it being an act of Congress as the justice specified.
Also Andrew Jackson with the Indian removal act had some shaky legality iirc.
But beyond those what come to mind? And lower federal court orders over the years you can think of?
Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:07 am to the808bass
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You want to ignore that Biden ignored the rules of the PSLF.
You didn't read OP. I'll fix your ignorance:
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Now, did the Biden admin engage in some executive action pursuant to their statutory authority under PSLF? Yes. Why was this legal? Well some of them are being challenged
Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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PSLF is a legitimate avenue to forgive student loans and was created by Congress in 2007 with GWB signing it into law.
Exactly and the Biden administration and/or the MSM tried to act like he was ignoring POTUS. It was all a charade to score pollical points.
Now it's funny the little white lie is biting them in the arse.
Plus...It's even worse if what 808 posted get proven.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:08 am to ArHog
If sfp could find a way to bag all of the dung he spews, he'd make BILLIONS selling organic fertilizer.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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If his point was correct, then the Supreme Court would have no authority to rule in the way they did.
The Supreme Court ruling that the President couldn’t make businesses vaccinate/mask/test shows that the Courts have power over the Executive’s function?
You’re making another fig argument.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:08 am to SlowFlowPro
I’m not reading all that shite
Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:09 am to OBReb6
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A more useful question for you is, have there ever been federal or Supreme Court rulings ignored by the executive?
Not anytime recently, that I can think of, especially post-Wickard.
This seems like a good task for AI.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:10 am to loogaroo
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Exactly and the Biden administration and/or the MSM tried to act like he was ignoring POTUS
People keep saying this and I keep asking for non-op/ed links.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:11 am to loogaroo
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It's even worse if what 808 posted get proven.
It doesn't have to get “proven.”
They went back and “recounted” people as making payments when their loan was in forbearance. There wasn’t a balloon of $60B in loans coming due for forgiveness under PSLF. That defies common sense.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 9:11 am to the808bass
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The Supreme Court ruling that the President couldn’t make businesses vaccinate/mask/test shows that the Courts have power over the Executive’s function?
Yes, considering it was an executive action creating the mandate.
To revisit his post:
quote:
The president has total control over the executive - hard stop
An executive action like the vax mandate would specifically be under the TOTAL control of the executive he referenced.
From what other origin are you arguing the vax mandate arose from? A ruling of the judiciary? Congressional statute?
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