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re: Jesus was from Nazareth
Posted on 12/20/25 at 10:27 am to Errerrerrwere
Posted on 12/20/25 at 10:27 am to Errerrerrwere
Someone forgot to tell the King of the Jews that he wasnt jewish.
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Posted on 12/20/25 at 10:28 am to BrodyDad
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Someone forgot to tell the King of the Jews that he wasnt jewish.
The Romans and Jews were mocking that weren't they?
Posted on 12/20/25 at 10:29 am to Errerrerrwere
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I've been pretty consistent on this throughout the thread.
Not the first two or the last 2 pages, maybe somewhere in the middle.
I think though where you get confused is by claiming ethnoreligious, you are equating the ethnicity of people in the year 30 AD with the religion of people of 1180+ AD.
Ethnic Welsh were of Celtic Religion in 30 AD, They are typically Christian today.
As many have mentioned, the Temple was around while Jesus was around. That religion of Judaism was the path to the Jewish people to God.
Jesus visited the Temple to visit with God, as was proper for a child of the line of Israel to do.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 10:29 am to Errerrerrwere
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Yes
Ok, yes, you’d be correct. Rabbinic Judaism obviously rejects Christ Jesus, so it’s incompatible there theologically.
To add to this, to put it simply, Catholic teaching is that the Church is the proper continuation of what was the Jewish faith with Christ as the head.
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He wasn't from Judaea
I mean, it could be subjective where He’s from, but He was born in the city of David, which from my recollection, is in Judea.
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He spoke out against the Pharisee's, actually said a lot of bad stuff about them, and their faith then is much different than Judaism today.
Yes, He did because they rejected Him as the Messiah. He talks about how Abraham saw His day and rejoiced, but the Jewish leaders called Abraham their father.
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He may have been a Jew in ethnicity but not a Jew from any metric. Just my assessment is all.
This doesn’t make sense. He was from te lineage or King David, born in the city or David, He is is the fulfillment of the law and the prophets, He was born through the New Ark of the Covenant in the Blessed Virgin Mary - she contained the Bread of Life (manna from Heaven), our High Priest (staff or Aaron), and the law (Ten Commandments), etc.
I think you’re trying to justify Christians not overly supporting the modern, secular state of Israel, but it’s not the appropriate logic. You are right though that it’s important because we have leaders making important geopolitical decision based on bad theology (Ted Cruz).
This post was edited on 12/20/25 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 12/20/25 at 10:31 am to Errerrerrwere
quote:That’s not necessary for Jesus to be Jewish. His biological lineage through Mary is Jewish and He adhered to the Jewish religion, which was fulfilled in Christianity. By all measures, He was a Jew, which is why He was called a Jew by non-Jews and never denied it, nor was His Jewishness not denied by His Jewish enemies.
He wasn't from Judaea
quote:He is, but we have to remember that He has a divine nature and a human nature that are not mixed. He is fully God, but He is also fully human. We cannot deny His humanity any more than we can deny His divinity. In His human nature, He descended from David.
He is Devine
quote:He condemned their misuse and abuse of the law and the prophets, not the foundation of what they claimed to be true. He called them hypocrites and revealed the true understanding of what the Jewish faith pointed to.
He spoke out against the Pharisee's, actually said a lot of bad stuff about them, and their faith then is much different than Judaism today.
quote:He was a Jew by every metric in His human nature.
He may have been a Jew in ethnicity but not a Jew from any metric. Just my assessment is all.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 10:32 am to TigerJack8
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I think you’re trying to justify Christians not overly supporting the modern, secular state of Israel, but it’s not the appropriate logic. You are right though that it’s important because we have leaders making important geopolitical decision based on bad theology (Ted Cruz).
I appreciate it Jack. 9 pages in and you're the only one that tried to talk about the main point of the OP.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 10:34 am to Errerrerrwere
quote:They were mocking His kingship, not His Jewishness.
The Romans and Jews were mocking that weren't they?
Posted on 12/20/25 at 10:35 am to Errerrerrwere
The King of the Jews was a term used by non jews. It absolutely could and was used to mock. They wrongly saw Jesus as powerless when they crucified him.
The jews in Jesus's orbit reverently referred to him as The King of Israel.
The jews in Jesus's orbit reverently referred to him as The King of Israel.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 10:39 am to Errerrerrwere
quote:I think if you were more clear in your initial critique, it wouldn’t have caused as much backlash and focus on secondary issues.
I appreciate it Jack. 9 pages in and you're the only one that tried to talk about the main point of the OP.
Jesus was Jewish in His human nature, however you are right to say that Christians are not beholden to modern Jews in any way other than as fellow image-bearers of God, as other Gentiles are. Christians are to pray for their conversion to Christianity and repentance for their idolatry in rejecting Christ as God.
I think a better approach would be to attack the dispensationalism that is at the root of so many Christians’ religious support of modern Israel.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 10:48 am to RoyalWe
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That already assumes a utilitarian framework
I've made no moral judgement yet. I've only asserted that God is a child killer, and that Christians cannot claim that the killing of children was necessary to accomplished the stated goal as written in the Bible (ex: Noah's flood: God wanted to flood the earth because it was far too wicked).
Do you disagree with either of those items?
Posted on 12/20/25 at 10:53 am to Azkiger
quote:As an atheist, you have no basis for any moral reasoning at all. All you have is your personal opinions and preferences, but you can’t say that “killing children” is immoral in any meaningful and rational sense, no matter the reason for it.
I've made no moral judgement yet
Who cares about your opinions?
Posted on 12/20/25 at 10:59 am to FooManChoo
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Who cares about your opinions?
People who don't want to worship a child killer.
Just because that group of people doesn't include you, doesn't mean there isn't anyone else in that group.
Keep on worshipping your child killer. I've been purposefully ignoring you this entire thread. So stop worrying, you're safe from logic and reason.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 11:01 am to Azkiger
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. I've only asserted that God is a child killer, and that Christians cannot claim that the killing of children was necessary to accomplished the stated goal as written in the Bible (ex: Noah's flood: God wanted to flood the earth because it was far too wicked).
God gave them life, he can take it as he sees fit.
Death is not the end, it is a transition to the next life.
If the God of the Bible is real, then he has taken those children into his arms and out of a wicked place.
He is both Just and Good.
You fear death as some evil, that is because you have no faith, death is no evil, murder is evil because the killer raises himself up above God like Cain.
As Jesus said.
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Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
But yes, if my soul was going to Hell, I would fear death, it is understandable why you fear death so much.
This post was edited on 12/20/25 at 11:03 am
Posted on 12/20/25 at 11:03 am to Narax
So, you don't contend either of those points?
Posted on 12/20/25 at 11:05 am to Azkiger
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So, you don't contend either of those points?
No, all men die.
This life is short compared to eternity.
I contend your claim that death given by God is evil. Their deaths were a mercy, the innocent Children were taken to him, and the evil and wicked were not, there is nothing more just than that.
God will indeed rescue Children.
Are you anti suicide for the terminally ill?
This post was edited on 12/20/25 at 11:07 am
Posted on 12/20/25 at 11:07 am to Azkiger
quote:Why would they not unless they are making moral judgments? How can someone make a moral judgment when there is no objective moral standard to use to judge? I hope you see the irrationality on display by your atheism. All you’ve said is that people don’t want to worship God because they don’t like Him. That’s hardly a reason to reject the creator of the universe and their ultimate judge.
People who don't want to worship a child killer.
quote:Of course not, but that group is acting irrationally, which is what I’m pointing out. To reject God is to become irrational, or as the Bible says, a “fool”.
Just because that group of people doesn't include you, doesn't mean there isn't anyone else in that group.
quote:I will continue to worship the one and true God, who is perfect and just, and dispenses justice perfectly and provides mercy to undeserving sinners through Jesus.
Keep on worshipping your child killer.
quote:You are the one who seems to be ”safe from logic and reason” since you continue to make moral judgments as if they hold meaning in your atheistic worldview. You still don’t understand that your rejection of God makes any moral judgments irrational.
I've been purposefully ignoring you this entire thread. So stop worrying, you're safe from logic and reason.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 11:09 am to Narax
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No
Cool, so you willfully worship a being that senselessly kills children.
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I contend your claim that death given by God is evil.
You're welcome to think that God is given exception to senselessly kill children. I'm familiar with Christians allowing God to break every rule they set up "Uncaused first cause", etc. This is just another exception out of dozens.
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Are you anti suicide for the terminally ill?
Generally no.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 11:14 am to FooManChoo
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How can someone make a moral judgment when there is no objective moral standard to use to judge?
How can food taste good or bad if there is no objective standard for taste?
You're so sad. Quite literally every interaction I have with you, all you do is try and pull me into this same issue. An issue I keep agreeing with you on. Yes, I do not believe there is objective morality.
Yet, just like taste, people still have strong opinions on the subject. Child killing is a bit like dog shite. Virtually no one likes it. So I don't need to go into objective morality for the 20th time with you. It's not relevant, AND I'm openly agreeing with you, I don't believe it exists.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 11:15 am to Azkiger
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Cool, so you willfully worship a being that senselessly kills children.
Again, you say this is senseless, the wicked were removed, and children were brought to God.
It's in no way senseless.
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You're welcome to think that God is given exception to senselessly kill children.
God is given nothing... He is where things are given from.
it doesn't matter what you think you've given him, you can no more give the sun permission to rise than to give God anything.
Again, do you think those children should have been left with a people so wicked?
If a child is lost in the snow, would you rather death be denied for months so she can suffer? Or that her soul leave her body quickly to reduce suffering?
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Generally no.
So it's ok when people think they should move on, but not when God knows they should move on?
Do you think those children who died were thrown in hell?
Posted on 12/20/25 at 11:29 am to Narax
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Again, you say this is senseless, the wicked were removed, and children were brought to God.
It's in no way senseless.
My goal is to change a light bulb. All I need is a ladder and a new bulb. I get a ladder, new bulb, kill my neighbors children, and change the bulb.
The light bulb was changed. Therefore all of the things done between me wanting to change the light bulb, and the light bulb getting changed, were necessary, right?
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Again, do you think those children should have been left with a people so wicked?
If they were never formed in their mother's wombs in the first place, this wouldn't be a problem.
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So it's ok when people think they should move on, but not when God knows they should move on?
Bad framing. Why do you think I'll accept "God knows" in the above question?
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Do you think those children who died were thrown in hell?
I think the whole story is made up, and evidence that the people who wrote it were ignorant and primitive.
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