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Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:04 am to Who_Dat_Tiger
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:04 am to Who_Dat_Tiger
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The Bible did say the meek would inherit the Earth. Maybe that’s what he’s banking on
Correction: the writer of “the gospel according to Matthew” describes the Jesus character as saying the “meek” shall inherit the land. “Meek” here being a quote of Psalm 37 and meaning more literally “afflicted” or “oppressed” with the latter fitting into context better.
Psalm 37 was written during or after the Babylonian exile and the context was that those faithful to Yahweh (the Jews) would re-take possession of the land from their oppressors. So you see, “inherit” is not the best translation of Matthew 5 as it should be “take possession of…”
Interestingly, “Jesus” quoted from the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible instead of the Hebrew Bible.
So the meaning of Matthew 5:3-5 is that the “poor in spirit” (those needing Yahweh in their spirit), who were oppressed, will take possession of the land.
Wait a sec, the Jewish priestly class ruled Judea under the the watchful eye and nudging of the Roman governor. The Yahwists - the second temple priests - already had possession of the land. What gives? What was “Jesus” talking about in Matthew 5:3-5?
What we have in Matthew 5:3-5 is a no true Scotsman fallacy. Similar to how FooLaneCraig asserts that Catholics aren’t Christians, “Jesus” here is asserting that the second temple priestly class in Jerusalem were not followers of Yahweh. At least not “true” followers.
Those “true” Yahwists - followers of the more original faith of the first temple, less affected by Persian religious ideas, worshippers of El Elyon (the father) and his son Yahweh (see Deuteronomy 32:8-9) and god the Mother - Asherah aka the Holy Spirit - were longing for a day when “the messiah” would return and their sect of Judaism would rid themselves of the corrupt second temple priests and take possession once more of the land.
The second temple priests in charge couldn’t have a messiah. The messiah was just “the anointed” king chosen by Yahweh to lead the people. The second temple religion could not have a messiah as it was the priests, not a king, who were in charge. That’s why the Jews in Jerusalem didn’t accept Jesus or anyone else as their messiah - they weren’t permitted to even have one.
In the other hand, the Jews of Qumran of Dead Sea Scrolls fame were waiting on the return of the messiah and were waiting to retake possession of Jerusalem from the corrupt second temple priests. It was that sect or one just like them that became the first Christians.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:05 am to imjustafatkid
quote:
This is a strange response. Trump isn't running to codify Roe into law. He's keeping it as is.
Correct and he has ceded the battle right now. The left is making abortion a an issue and Trump and the GOP have abandoned it altogether.
quote:This is my point. They have abandoned it because they think it’s a losing issue. They have chosen political expediency over what is right.
That's what you should want right now. Anyone running to ban abortion WILL ABSOLUTELY LOSE federal elections at this time.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:06 am to FooManChoo
quote:
This is my point. They have abandoned it because they think it’s a losing issue. They have chosen political expediency over what is right.
Dude, no they haven't. They've chosen the state battleground, where it should be, as opposed to fighting it on a federal level. It's still being fought on a state level. That take is a bit obtuse.
You do realize that if they left it a federal issue, that means in could be federally guaranteed at some point? By making it a state issue, it allows us more ability to fight abortion, not less.
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 10:14 am
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:09 am to FooManChoo
quote:
They have abandoned it because they think it’s a losing issue.
It IS a losing issue at the federal level, but they have NOT abandoned it. They nominated and pushed forward SCOTUS judges who overturned Roe.
Do you think Trump sign a bill to keep Roe overturned and these decisions with the states if it were to hit his desk?
Do you think he will nominate more pro-life SCOTUS judges?
If your answer to either of these questions is yes, then you not voting only advances what you oppose and is not consistent with your stated reasoning.
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 10:10 am
Posted on 10/20/24 at 12:04 pm to FooManChoo
I have a hard time believing Foo is a Christian.
Looking at the state of the country and the choices we have and thinking either
1. I’ll vote for Heels up, or
2. They are both so similar I’ll just not vote,
is just so hard to comprehend as a Christian person. It leaves me with thinking the person is just kinda stupid, which is possible. There are a lot of low IQ people with internet. Or that the person is just putting on. Foo doesn’t seem retarded.
So I guess, good one Foo. You got me.
Looking at the state of the country and the choices we have and thinking either
1. I’ll vote for Heels up, or
2. They are both so similar I’ll just not vote,
is just so hard to comprehend as a Christian person. It leaves me with thinking the person is just kinda stupid, which is possible. There are a lot of low IQ people with internet. Or that the person is just putting on. Foo doesn’t seem retarded.
So I guess, good one Foo. You got me.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 1:13 pm to extremetigerfanatic
quote:
I have a hard time believing Foo is a Christian.
You know, there exists “good” people of other religions and atheists who care about other people, who give to charity, who help others, who are pro-constitution and pro-life.
And there are “bad” Christians who are uncaring and selfish and who think murder and eternal torture for legitimate “thought crimes” due to legitimate lack of evidence of their god is justified.
Foo delights in the eternal torture of others, so it’s not surprising he is selfish enough not to help us all out by voting for the only candidate who is capable of doing good works.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:42 pm to Squirrelmeister
I wanted to add this specifically for FooLaneCraig’s benefit.
1 Enoch Chapter 2 Verse 14:
Compare with Matthew 5:
The poor in spirit = the elect ones.
1 Enoch Chapter 2 Verse 14:
quote:
14 But for the elect there shall be light and joy and peace, and they shall inherit the earth.
Compare with Matthew 5:
quote:
3“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 4“Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. 5“Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. 6“Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. 7“Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy. 8“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. 9“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. 10“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11“Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 12Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. 13“You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled under people’s feet. 14“You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden.
The poor in spirit = the elect ones.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 11:29 am to JiminyCricket
quote:Forgive my ignorance, but where has Trump gone to various states and called upon their voters to fight against abortion where they are? Where has he said publicly that while he thinks abortion is a states' issue now, that he would do all he can to eradicate that evil practice at that level? Where is the GOP doing that? I live in a state where abortion is on the ballot and I haven't seen any messaging from the GOP about it.
Dude, no they haven't. They've chosen the state battleground, where it should be, as opposed to fighting it on a federal level. It's still being fought on a state level. That take is a bit obtuse.
quote:And yet the Democrats are pushing it at the federal level and in national politics, not merely fighting it at the state level. The Democrats will do everything they can at the federal level to promote abortion and support it. I'm not seeing that same level of vigor from the GOP about opposing it at the federal level.
You do realize that if they left it a federal issue, that means in could be federally guaranteed at some point? By making it a state issue, it allows us more ability to fight abortion, not less.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:04 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:Which is why they have abandoned it at the federal/national level. Hardly a peep about it other than "go talk about it at the state level".
It IS a losing issue at the federal level
quote:From where I'm sitting, they have. Not much talk of it. It's not on the platform. Trump has deflected on it. The Democrats, on the other hand, have made it a core pillar for their party.
but they have NOT abandoned it.
quote:Yeah that was good, but it basically just fixed the mistake of RvW in granting a constitutional right that doesn't exist. We're now back to where slavery was before the Civil War. More needs to be done and the GOP is saying that the states need to deal with it themselves, meaning that abortion is still rampant.
They nominated and pushed forward SCOTUS judges who overturned Roe.
quote:I don't know.
Do you think Trump sign a bill to keep Roe overturned and these decisions with the states if it were to hit his desk?
quote:Probably. Not sure. He may decide that the issue is settled and that being pro-life might not be as big of an issue going forward. He hasn't talked much about it this time around so I don't really know what he would do or how important he thinks it is as this point.
Do you think he will nominate more pro-life SCOTUS judges?
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:08 pm to extremetigerfanatic
quote:I've explained my position thoroughly over the last few weeks. Before you label me a non-Christian, perhaps you should read my post history or ask pertinent questions. My commitment is to Jesus Christ above all else.
I have a hard time believing Foo is a Christian.
Looking at the state of the country and the choices we have and thinking either
1. I’ll vote for Heels up, or
2. They are both so similar I’ll just not vote,
is just so hard to comprehend as a Christian person. It leaves me with thinking the person is just kinda stupid, which is possible. There are a lot of low IQ people with internet. Or that the person is just putting on. Foo doesn’t seem retarded.
So I guess, good one Foo. You got me.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:09 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:Prove it. I've written a lot on this subject so you can surely prove your claim.
Foo delights in the eternal torture of others
I do NOT delight in the eternal torture of others. It's why I keep giving you the gospel even though you show nothing but signs of reprobation and continue to reject your creator time and time again. You are a liar and yet I hope God saves you so that you do not have to be tortured for eternity for your treason against the King.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:12 pm to FooManChoo
If Kamala wins, and pro-abortion justices and laws are passed, it will be due to your inaction. You will be to blame.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:47 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:This seems like an emotional response, not a rational one.
If Kamala wins, and pro-abortion justices and laws are passed, it will be due to your inaction. You will be to blame.
My voting will have zero impact on whether or not Harris or Trump is elected. Aside from me having just one vote and elections are decided by tens of thousands and millions of votes, due to the electoral college, my particular singular vote will have zero impact on the outcome due to the voting tendencies of the state I live in.
If you want to blame me for a Harris win, you will have misplaced your blame. Place it on the millions of people who vote for Harris, not on the 1 person who did not vote for her.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:06 pm to extremetigerfanatic
Foo is a good poster and if you look at his posting history you'll will see that he has consistently promoted a Christian message. I agree with him probably about 99% of the time and while I don't agree with his stance on not voting for Trump this time I get where he's coming from and I'm certainly not going to persecute the guy on here.
I think Foo lives in Georgia (not sure) but assuming so let's be real here, if you vote in Georgia odds are that even if you vote for Trump there is probably a 1 in 3 chance your vote will be flipped to Kackles thanks to Kemp, Ratfricker and their lackey Gabe Sterling. We're all voting that live here but most people I know feel the same way. We'll vote as a frick you to the cheaters and force them to flip so many votes and drop off so many fake mail in ballots that they will look like fools in the end. It sucks but it is what it is.
IMO this country is done anyway. Once the leftists/deep state figured out how to really rig the shite out of elections with a damn near guaranteed outcome years ago (electronic voting machines) it was only a matter of time before America imploded and we are well on our way to imploding. Yeah we still go vote but in reality we're all just whistling past the graveyard.
I think Foo lives in Georgia (not sure) but assuming so let's be real here, if you vote in Georgia odds are that even if you vote for Trump there is probably a 1 in 3 chance your vote will be flipped to Kackles thanks to Kemp, Ratfricker and their lackey Gabe Sterling. We're all voting that live here but most people I know feel the same way. We'll vote as a frick you to the cheaters and force them to flip so many votes and drop off so many fake mail in ballots that they will look like fools in the end. It sucks but it is what it is.
IMO this country is done anyway. Once the leftists/deep state figured out how to really rig the shite out of elections with a damn near guaranteed outcome years ago (electronic voting machines) it was only a matter of time before America imploded and we are well on our way to imploding. Yeah we still go vote but in reality we're all just whistling past the graveyard.
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:00 pm to FooManChoo
quote:But if enough Christians take your stance, it 100% will have an impact.
My voting will have zero impact on whether or not Harris or Trump is elected. Aside from me having just one vote and elections are decided by tens of thousands and millions of votes, due to the electoral college, my particular singular vote will have zero impact on the outcome due to the voting tendencies of the state I live in.
You're trying to rationalize the irrational. You know 4 more years of Dems will be detrimental to Christian ideals and Christians themselves, but you choose to sit on the sideline. Thank God the apostles weren't so cowardly.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:25 pm to StrongOffer
quote:Possibly, but again, I'm not responsible for "enough Christians" in that scenario. I'm only responsible for my own vote, and my vote is going where I can glorify God the most with it by remaining faithful to Him by voting only for those who will be godly leaders. If "enough voters" gave Trump a landslide, would you really care what I did?
But if enough Christians take your stance, it 100% will have an impact.
I'm not telling you how to vote. I'm not condemning anyone for voting or where they put their vote. I leave it up to God to judge the actions of others and if He is displeased with Christians voting for men and women who don't govern in a godly way, then that's on them. I just can't do that any longer as I believe it's my responsibility to vote only for those whom I believe will "kiss the Son" with God-honoring governance.
quote:My position is not irrational. It is based on prioritizing what I believe is my commitment to God by only endorsing (voting for) leaders who will govern in a God-honoring way over the practical or pragmatic results of voting for someone who I don't believe honors God.
You're trying to rationalize the irrational. You know 4 more years of Dems will be detrimental to Christian ideals and Christians themselves, but you choose to sit on the sideline.
I've said it multiple times at this point, but I could not vote for a militant atheist who hates God, hates Christians, blasphemes God's name and mocks and ridicules Christians and the Christ we worship. This person might be politically conservative and be in alignment on many different social and economic issues that I personally agree with and would be beneficial to me, but it would mean giving my endorsement to someone who openly hates the God I serve. I could not do that in good conscience even if the alternative was someone who wanted to take away my rights because I believe my personal comforts, rights, and peace should be secondary to my allegiance to Jesus Christ.
quote:Do you think what I'm doing is out of fear? You're welcome to think what you want about me but I've been very clear that my actions are intention due to personal convictions, not due to being afraid of engagement. I've voted the lesser of two evils for decades but I can't do that any longer. It's not out of fear that I'm not voting Trump this time around (I'm also not voting for Harris).
Thank God the apostles weren't so cowardly
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:50 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
I recognize that I hold a minority position here and I'm getting a lot of unwanted attention for it.
BS...you are loving the attention, just like SFP does!
Posted on 10/21/24 at 9:43 pm to FooManChoo
quote:quote:Prove it. I've written a lot on this subject so you can surely prove your claim.
Foo delights in the eternal torture of others
You delight in things that are good, right? And you delight in being right.
You believe that God is good (even though he is also responsible for all evil and bad things like Satan, babies with cancer and cerebral palsy, natural disasters, etc. see Isaiah 45:7). God is ultimately good, and he is omniscient and omnipotent. It’s what you believe. And you believe God has a plan, and that must be good too.
That plan that God has involves the creation of a place of perpetual eternal torment and agony in hellfire (see 1 Enoch 27:1-2). You won’t find that in your Bible, but it’s what you believe even though you reject Christian traditions for sola scriptura.
So God creates people who knows will end up punished forever in a hell that he created, and because God did it, it is “good”.
You are a “good” person who delights in “good” things.
I trust that this is sufficient proof of your moral bankruptcy.
quote:
continue to reject your creator
I have a friend. His name is Bob. Bob can fly and do magic, and even heal sick people. Bob is actually immortal. And invisible. Would you like to be Bob’s friend?
Posted on 10/21/24 at 10:15 pm to NashvilleTider
The right sold their soul to the Orange Grifter
Posted on 10/21/24 at 10:19 pm to Riverside
quote:
Hope Kamala enjoys spending eternity in the fiery pits of hell.
lol. Yeah, if there’s a Heaven, Trump will be there. He certainly lives his life by the scripture.
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