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Posted on 10/20/24 at 1:57 am to TexasForever81
Posted on 10/20/24 at 1:57 am to TexasForever81
I have found that in some circles his alleged Zionist agenda have alienated some, do you sort of feel that way, to an extent?
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Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:00 am to Tunasntigers92
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I have found that in some circles his alleged Zionist agenda have alienated some, do you sort of feel that way, to an extent?
Yessir, I think Christian’s who replaced the Jewish people with the Church in scripture have.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:02 am to imjustafatkid
quote:Abortion is the most heinous crime against image-bearers of God this country has ever tolerated and Trump is giving up on that front because it is politically expedient to do so. The Democrats are not giving up but have made it their #1 issue. The GOP has left it off their policy pillars altogether.
It's not two evils.
It's one evil, and one good. That's it. That's the whole game.
There are many other issues I have concerns about, including Trump’s open support of the LGBTQ community. I can’t pretend like he is “good” because I like some of his positions or that most of his positions are better than Harris’.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:04 am to TexasForever81
I think a lot of Catholics and people in general take issue with it, hopefully he hasn't alienated too many.
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 2:05 am
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:07 am to LSUAngelHere1
quote:Denying Christ for the sake of “stopping evil” is not virtuous, and that’s essentially what I would be doing by going against my conscience.
As will you for doing nothing to stop the evil.
And no, I won’t be going to hell for doing nothing to stop evil. I do a lot to stop evil. My vote for Trump wouldn’t send me to heaven and my lack of a vote for him won’t send me to hell because salvation comes from Jesus Christ, not from my good works, and especially not from voting for one candidate over another.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:08 am to FooManChoo
How much has Trump's decision to turn Abortion to the states affected evangelist's?
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:17 am to FooManChoo
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Trump is giving up on that front because it is politically expedient to do so
It makes no sense to continue the abortion fight at the federal level at this time. That fight is at the state level right now. It will need to gain steam there before it has any hope of anything happening at the federal level.
You're basically saying you're fine with allowing the people who would sell out completely in favor of abortion to win because the other guy isn't selling out completely the other way. Makes no sense.
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open support of the LGBTQ community
Don't know what you mean by this. Is he trying to criminalize refusing to participate in gay marriages? Arguing trans women should be in women's sports?
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 2:20 am
Posted on 10/20/24 at 2:26 am to imjustafatkid
I think the issue is that evangelicals don't see it that way.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:20 am to Tunasntigers92
quote:Overturning Roe v Wade merely corrected a horrible judicial decision. It was a reset, not an end state.
How much has Trump's decision to turn Abortion to the states affected evangelist's?
The left is making this their hill to die on and the GOP—including Trump—don’t even want to fight the fight any longer.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 3:27 am to imjustafatkid
quote:The left doesn’t agree. They are fighting at the national level. It is the main pillar of Harris’ campaign after “OMB”. While they continue to fight, Trump and the GOP are pretending it is a non-issue.
It makes no sense to continue the abortion fight at the federal level at this time. That fight is at the state level right now. It will need to gain steam there before it has any hope of anything happening at the federal level.
quote:Im not saying it is fine. Im saying that I’m done giving my endorsement to candidates that dishonor Christ with their words, actions, and policies even if they provide pragmatic benefits in their blasphemy and/or hypocrisy.
You're basically saying you're fine with allowing the people who would sell out completely in favor of abortion to win because the other guy isn't selling out completely the other way. Makes no sense.
I’ve said it a few times already, but I couldn’t vote for a militant atheist who cursed God’s name in every speech even if he was “socially conservative”. Perhaps you might agree with my decision in such a scenario. If that decision could be justified even against the pragmatic benefits of such a candidate, why couldn’t a less extreme version of such a scenario?
quote:He isn’t fighting against gay marriage (Obergafell) like he did RvW but believes it is settled. He nominated the first openly gay cabinet member. He proudly flaunts endorsements of LGBTQ groups. He celebrated “pride month” during his first term. He even posed for pictures with a rainbow flag that says LGBTQ for Trump, or something similar.
Don't know what you mean by this. Is he trying to criminalize refusing to participate in gay marriages? Arguing trans women should be in women's sports?
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 3:31 am
Posted on 10/20/24 at 4:17 am to FooManChoo
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My position is that what is most honoring to Christ may not be what is most pragmatically beneficial to others, even other Christians.
The above was your statement.
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I may be put to the test where I can either deny Christ and live or remain faithful to Him and die. My family may even be killed as the result, as has happened in history under such persecutions. In such a scenario, it would be pragmatically beneficial to my family and myself to lie and deny Christ, but doing so would be wrong.
The above was your answer.
My reply is this:
If I was in the same scenario and I voiced my allegiance to Christ and my family was killed -> it would be a wonderful ending for me and for them. My wife and kids love the Lord. We would all be in Heaven together. How is that “non beneficial”?
It seems you believe that earth is the end goal?
Posted on 10/20/24 at 4:31 am to Tunasntigers92
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I have found that in some circles his alleged Zionist agenda have alienated some, do you sort of feel that way, to an extent?
In a more perfect agenda, we'd stop militarily supporting the middle east. We've played both sides for so long; all we've done is prolong the misery.
I just wish we'd keep our noses out of it, but we're in too deep.
I'd like to think there's some grand design the US diplomats have helped shape. I also recognize that there's a lot of buffoonery that goes on and for all we know - the entire situation is a toilet that just won't flush.
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 4:32 am
Posted on 10/20/24 at 4:58 am to TexasForever81
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Yessir, I think Christian’s who replaced the Jewish people with the Church in scripture have.
You mean like St. Paul?
Posted on 10/20/24 at 6:59 am to John Barron
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I would like to get FooManChoo take on this and if my brother in Christ
No one gives a shite about this dude, and you should stop giving him the attention he seeks.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 7:09 am to TDTOM
This.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:32 am to LeeeroyJenkins
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You mean like St. Paul?
I think Paul is a terrible example to make your point. The book of Romans clearly proves you incorrect, multiple times.
It isn’t a salvation issue, and I don’t think it deserves argument. I will edit that post be blank if it needs to be.
Denominations left at the door. Unity at the cross should be priority in this season.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:33 am to FooManChoo
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The pattern in the Scriptures is that God's people are to select from themselves godly men, not secular men who give lip service to Jesus while blaspheming His name and bringing reproach on Christ for his positions, words, and actions. No, the President is not the head of the Church, but all leaders, and especially those who lead countries, should seek first Christ's Kingdom and serve Him above all else.
There is not a President in our Nation’s history deserving of a single casted vote if that is the criteria.
How about we stick to a separation of church and state?
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:36 am to Tunasntigers92
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I think the issue is that evangelicals don't see it that way.
This is a lie. I'm an evangelical and everyone I know sees it the way I do.
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 8:39 am
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:38 am to FooManChoo
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The left doesn’t agree. They are fighting at the national level. It is the main pillar of Harris’ campaign after “OMB”. While they continue to fight, Trump and the GOP are pretending it is a non-issue.
This is a strange response. Trump isn't running to codify Roe into law. He's keeping it as is.
That's what you should want right now. Anyone running to ban abortion WILL ABSOLUTELY LOSE federal elections at this time.
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 8:39 am
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:39 am to SECdragonmaster
quote:You have stumbled upon my point exactly. I agree with you that it would be ultimately beneficial for me to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord, but this whole discussion is framed from an earthly perspective. I agree that this earth is not my home and that’s precisely why I can prioritize honoring Christ with my vote or lack of vote over pragmatic, temporary benefits on earth, such as peace, prosperity, or even extended life on earth.
My reply is this:
If I was in the same scenario and I voiced my allegiance to Christ and my family was killed -> it would be a wonderful ending for me and for them. My wife and kids love the Lord. We would all be in Heaven together. How is that “non beneficial”?
It seems you believe that earth is the end goal?
Others here are saying I should essentially be prioritizing peace, prosperity, and life on earth or else I’m being selfish.
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