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re: Jesuit Priest Claims LGBT Books for Kids are Like Sharing Jesus’ Parables
Posted on 7/6/25 at 3:55 pm to Prodigal Son
Posted on 7/6/25 at 3:55 pm to Prodigal Son
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Got ‘em.
In your mouth.
Since my posts lack substance, there is no reason to continue.
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Posted on 7/6/25 at 4:00 pm to 3down10
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my posts lack substance, there is no reason to continue.
Well, you have said a lot of words, most of them repetitive, that basically amounts to “trust me bro.”
Posted on 7/6/25 at 4:14 pm to Prodigal Son
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Well, you have said a lot of words, most of them repetitive, that basically amounts to “trust me bro.”
Yes, that's not at all what you are doing now.
Good luck.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:13 pm to 3down10
quote:You have rejected the truth and continue to do so.
I can't give to you the way God can.
That which is spirit is spirit and that which is flesh is flesh. The only thing saved by the death of truth is the lie, and the lie will live until the truth returns.
Not interested in idol worshiping.
And yes, by whatever worship you give or beliefs you have that are not to the trinitarian God of the Bible--Father, Son, and Holy Spirit--you are most certainly worshipping an idol.
quote:Obeying the Scriptures in regards to faith in Christ's work on the cross, repentance for sin, and living a life to honor Christ's commands is not idol worship. Claiming divine truth in anything but Christ is idolatry.
Much like just praising Jesus and following his idol is quite different from actually following his example and keeping the commandments?
quote:No one can keep the commands. If we break one, we've broken them all. That's why Jesus took on a human nature in the first place, to keep the law perfectly where we can't. No one is saved by the works of the law because no one can keep them perfectly.
Jesus turns the rich man away, the church says that rich man is saved without doing the things Jesus told him to do. You just don't want to hear this because it's not as sweet and easy to actually keep the commandments.
The rich man could never had eternal life through obeying the law, but he thought he could, so Jesus pointed out that he couldn't even keep the first and primary of the laws of God. If you think you have not sinned, you are a liar and make God a liar, too. If you have sinned then you cannot earn salvation through further imperfect obedience, because you owe a sin-debt to God that you cannot pay back. Only Jesus can--and has--paid the debt of sin for those who receive forgiveness by faith.
quote:That's exactly what I'm talking about. No one can keep the commandments perfectly, and to sin once is to deserve death, because any sin is an act of treason against the perfect and holy creator of the universe. The good works of obedience by faith save no one, because they are mixed with wickedness and sin.
Good works are a consequence of someone who keeps the commandments. I'm not even sure where you get this idea I'm focused on good works, just doing things you think are good is not the same thing. I'm talking about keeping the commandments.
quote:I explained this already. The rich man wasn't able to save himself through obedience to the law. Jesus wasn't telling him that he could be saved by merely obeying the law, but that Jesus was showing him that if he thought that he could be saved by obeying the law, that he was failing from the beginning.
Your faith is in an idol, not in the truth and the way. It's not the same thing. It's like a man who repeats 1+1=2 because someone told it was true compared to someone who understands math and is able to apply that math to their lives. Just doing things society sees as good is not the same thing either, that's what it means by works alone and such.
Still, this has nothing to do with the Rich man and why Jesus told him different than the church does.
This is why Jesus repeatedly say that we are to believe in Him for salvation from sin, rather than mere obedience to the law. Jesus didn't have to come at all if He was just a mere prophet that pointed back to the same law that the other prophets pointed to.
quote:A monster is one who leads people into damnation by rejecting the gospel of Jesus Christ. You are trying to lead people into damnation, which I think is quite monstrous.
How dare I tell people to keep the commandments and try to explain why it matters and how we inadvertently break them. What kind of monster does such things!
quote:You lack truth. You promote a lie. You are a false teacher and will be damned if you do not repent and put your trust in Jesus alone for forgiveness of your sins. Even now, you are lying and rejecting the truth that God has provided. He will not tolerate that.
You don't need to do anything to earn salvation, just believe you are saved by human sacrifice via local government and religious figures of the best person to ever walk the earth so they can maintain their own power over the people, of which will never stop until the truth returns.
You can believe all that if you want. But maybe keep the commandments in addition to it?
And yes, I do believe we are to keep God's commandments, however there is a difference between keeping them to merit salvation and keeping them to please the God who saved us through His Son apart from our obedience to the law.
quote:You have no idea what the truth is because you reject the revelation of God, especially through the person of Jesus Christ. You reject the teaching of God and embrace some sort of personal experience that contradicts what God has publicly revealed.
Idol worship. Stop reducing the father within him that he represents. It's much greater. Let me fix it for you.
Salvation from sin is through the the truth, the way and the light alone. If you think you have another way, then Jesus, Himself, is made into a liar.
quote:Jesus summarized the law in this way: to love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself. When you reject Christ as the God-man, you are not obeying the commandments. You are doing exactly what the rich man did, in valuing your possessions (supposed gnostic knowledge) over the truth of Christ as God who has earned His place at the right hand of the Father in Heaven, to rule over and to judge the nations of the earth for the sake of the Church.
To obey him is to keep the commandments, not to worship his idol and see how much you can praise him.
quote:The Church does require the rich man to do the same thing Jesus told him to do: to abandon all other idols and follow Him. The Church commands sinners to repent of their sins--their idolatry--and to follow Jesus. I'm commanding you to do the same thing, in accordance to the revelation of God in the Scriptures. Do what Jesus commanded the rich man to do: abandon all idols and follow Christ alone.
And you have still not explained why the Church doesn't require the rich man to do the same things Jesus told the rich man to do.
quote:The death of the perfect for the sinner is the only way to have your sin-debt paid. If you do not receive pardon for your sins through Christ, you are not pardoned, and you will then die in your sins and be judged for them for eternity.
I will never participate in the satanic practice of human sacrifice.
quote:You have picked and chosen what you want to believe from the Bible. You reject Paul and you reject even the words of Jesus, who has the authority to forgive sins. Any claim to revelation apart from the Bible is from your own perverted mind, or from Satan.
You don't even believe what Jesus says, because my entire experience is laid out in the bible, and you tell me it's a demon because...I tell you to keep the commandments and reject your blood sacrifice as a replacement for it.
quote:That isn't a clash. I have already said that if we love Christ, we will seek to obey His commandments. That's what it means that good works (obedience to the law) is a fruit of salvation rather than a root of it.
Which clashes with Jesus who said...If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 2:09 pm to FooManChoo
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You have rejected the truth and continue to do so.
And yes, by whatever worship you give or beliefs you have that are not to the trinitarian God of the Bible--Father, Son, and Holy Spirit--you are most certainly worshipping an idol.
Ok, so you don't even know what an idol is.
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Obeying the Scriptures in regards to faith in Christ's work on the cross, repentance for sin, and living a life to honor Christ's commands is not idol worship. Claiming divine truth in anything but Christ is idolatry.
You worship the death of truth to the point of hanging the device used to murder it around your neck. You believe in human sacrifice.
And you still do not know what an idol is.
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No one can keep the commands. If we break one, we've broken them all. That's why Jesus took on a human nature in the first place, to keep the law perfectly where we can't. No one is saved by the works of the law because no one can keep them perfectly.
Jesus did it so you didn't have to idol worshipping. Maybe he did it to show people how to do it. I bet if he did it for that reason, he would have said things like "Those who believe in my will also do as I do, and even greater things". Yet you claim is impossible.
Nope, gotta be that human sacrifice. I can think of no better way for the devil to fool mankind into a life of sin than to convince people they don't have to keep the commandments.
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The rich man could never had eternal life through obeying the law, but he thought he could, so Jesus pointed out that he couldn't even keep the first and primary of the laws of God. If you think you have not sinned, you are a liar and make God a liar, too. If you have sinned then you cannot earn salvation through further imperfect obedience, because you owe a sin-debt to God that you cannot pay back. Only Jesus can--and has--paid the debt of sin for those who receive forgiveness by faith.
There is no debt, that's just religious bullshite. And if Jesus paid that debt, you wouldn't be here.
You are here to learn good from evil. You've been cast from the garden because as long as you do not keep the commandments, your very presence makes a heavenly society impossible. You can't return until you learn to keep the commandments.
Keeping the commandments is the path. If you believe in Jesus you will do as he does. Jesus taught that the people were the authority, you claim such is nonsense and that people are incapable of these things, that they are no authority at all.
You all claim you aren't from the religion of Saul the pharisee and yet all you tell me the claims of Saul, not Jesus. It's always the celebration of the death of truth via human sacrifice. He was murdered by his government and the religious authority. That he did not suffer the 2nd death shows he kept the commandments.
You did not answer the actual question about the rich man. Why didn't Jesus tell him everything you just said? Instead he told the rich man to keep the commandments, give up his riches and follow him.
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That's exactly what I'm talking about. No one can keep the commandments perfectly, and to sin once is to deserve death, because any sin is an act of treason against the perfect and holy creator of the universe. The good works of obedience by faith save no one, because they are mixed with wickedness and sin.
To sin is to make a mistake. To atone for your sin to fix your mistake. All God wants from you is to fix your mistakes. That's it. When you fix your mistakes, you are forgiven for them.
As I've said before, yes you must keep the commandments to get back into the garden/heaven etc. So if you break one, you fail to meet that requirement.
And which commandment do you think is too hard to keep?
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I explained this already. The rich man wasn't able to save himself through obedience to the law. Jesus wasn't telling him that he could be saved by merely obeying the law, but that Jesus was showing him that if he thought that he could be saved by obeying the law, that he was failing from the beginning.
This is why Jesus repeatedly say that we are to believe in Him for salvation from sin, rather than mere obedience to the law. Jesus didn't have to come at all if He was just a mere prophet that pointed back to the same law that the other prophets pointed to.
No, you still avoid the question. Why does Jesus tell the rich man that he must keep the commandments and then follow him, INSTEAD OF telling him that he just need to wait for his sacrifice and then he will be forgiven by simply believe in him.
By Jesus fulfilling the law he shows what the true commandments are and how to follow them. He is the example to which you follow, not the idol to which you worship the death of as your salvation.
The only thing saved by the death of truth is the lie. If you are saved by the death of truth, then you are saved by the lie, not the truth. The lie will live until the truth returns.
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A monster is one who leads people into damnation by rejecting the gospel of Jesus Christ. You are trying to lead people into damnation, which I think is quite monstrous.
I reject Saul the pharisee.
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The Church does require the rich man to do the same thing Jesus told him to do: to abandon all other idols and follow Him. The Church commands sinners to repent of their sins--their idolatry--and to follow Jesus. I'm commanding you to do the same thing, in accordance to the revelation of God in the Scriptures. Do what Jesus commanded the rich man to do: abandon all idols and follow Christ alone.
No, the church nor you requires the rich man to do what Jesus said. You don't believe men are even capable of doing what Jesus asked of the rich man.
But I'm glad you at least admitted that you worship an idol. If you would just abandon the idol part and look for the Truth, the Way and the Light, you would be so much closer to the truth.
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Jesus summarized the law in this way: to love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself. When you reject Christ as the God-man, you are not obeying the commandments. You are doing exactly what the rich man did, in valuing your possessions (supposed gnostic knowledge) over the truth of Christ as God who has earned His place at the right hand of the Father in Heaven, to rule over and to judge the nations of the earth for the sake of the Church.
That which is flesh is flesh and that which is spirit is spirit. This is no such thing as godly flesh. God can only enter the flesh.
As for gnostic knowledge, read Proverbs 8 and 9. Then read John 14. The entire chapters, not cherry picked verses. Knowledge of the holy is understanding, and this is how God gives to people. I do not receive riches of gold and silver from God, I received understanding. My experience is described in these chapters.
Of course, you're so locked into idol worship that you care not about these things and actually shun others for it.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 2:09 pm to FooManChoo
continued from above, ran out of space.
I know you don't understand it because you don't believe me - which is perfectly natural and reasonable. However, you are literally asking me to turn my back on God. And it's impossible that I would ever do that.
So you can condemn me and try to fear monger, but you are really wasting your time with this. The only thing that I will actually respond to is real understanding, and when that comes along I'm always grateful.
No, the death of the perfect was to allow the people who maintain control over other humans in sin to keep their control. That's why they did it.
If that is what you are saved by, then you are not saved by the truth, the way and the life, you're saved by the lie, the sin and the death. The lie will live until the truth returns.
But you don't think you really have to keep them - because that is impossible according to you. Thus, you think you need to believe in the human sacrifice of truth as your pardon.
According to you, I can live a completely perfect life, live by the commandments except for 1 point in my life, I made a mistake. I learned from it and saw the errors in my ways, but I did make that 1 mistake in my life - and I will go to hell.
You on the other hand can commit as many sins as you want, continue to make them forever and never fix them. But as long as you believe "Jesus did for my sins" you can get a pardon and none of that matters, you are forgiven.
Sorry but I think you're in for disappointment. Now you can keep on believing all that stuff if you want as "insurance" if it makes you happy. I'm just recommending you learn and worry about keeping the commandments in addition.
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You lack truth. You promote a lie. You are a false teacher and will be damned if you do not repent and put your trust in Jesus alone for forgiveness of your sins. Even now, you are lying and rejecting the truth that God has provided. He will not tolerate that.
And yes, I do believe we are to keep God's commandments, however there is a difference between keeping them to merit salvation and keeping them to please the God who saved us through His Son apart from our obedience to the law.
I know you don't understand it because you don't believe me - which is perfectly natural and reasonable. However, you are literally asking me to turn my back on God. And it's impossible that I would ever do that.
So you can condemn me and try to fear monger, but you are really wasting your time with this. The only thing that I will actually respond to is real understanding, and when that comes along I'm always grateful.
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The death of the perfect for the sinner is the only way to have your sin-debt paid. If you do not receive pardon for your sins through Christ, you are not pardoned, and you will then die in your sins and be judged for them for eternity.
No, the death of the perfect was to allow the people who maintain control over other humans in sin to keep their control. That's why they did it.
If that is what you are saved by, then you are not saved by the truth, the way and the life, you're saved by the lie, the sin and the death. The lie will live until the truth returns.
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That isn't a clash. I have already said that if we love Christ, we will seek to obey His commandments. That's what it means that good works (obedience to the law) is a fruit of salvation rather than a root of it.
But you don't think you really have to keep them - because that is impossible according to you. Thus, you think you need to believe in the human sacrifice of truth as your pardon.
According to you, I can live a completely perfect life, live by the commandments except for 1 point in my life, I made a mistake. I learned from it and saw the errors in my ways, but I did make that 1 mistake in my life - and I will go to hell.
You on the other hand can commit as many sins as you want, continue to make them forever and never fix them. But as long as you believe "Jesus did for my sins" you can get a pardon and none of that matters, you are forgiven.
Sorry but I think you're in for disappointment. Now you can keep on believing all that stuff if you want as "insurance" if it makes you happy. I'm just recommending you learn and worry about keeping the commandments in addition.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 3:16 pm to 3down10
quote:An idol is any object of worship that is not the one, true God.
Ok, so you don't even know what an idol is.
quote:I worship the truth who died to provide eternal life. He gave Himself as a sacrifice for sin.
You worship the death of truth to the point of hanging the device used to murder it around your neck. You believe in human sacrifice.
quote:This amounts to Jesus being nothing more than a motivational speaker.
Jesus did it so you didn't have to idol worshipping. Maybe he did it to show people how to do it. I bet if he did it for that reason, he would have said things like "Those who believe in my will also do as I do, and even greater things". Yet you claim is impossible.
quote:Again, we are still supposed to keep God's commandments, but out of thanksgiving and worship, not to merit salvation. Jesus already did that for us, and we cannot do it ourselves.
Nope, gotta be that human sacrifice. I can think of no better way for the devil to fool mankind into a life of sin than to convince people they don't have to keep the commandments.
Jesus taught that we are saved by believing in Him, not by obeying the commandments perfectly. See John 3:16, 18; 6:29; and 11:25-26.
quote:When we sin against an infinitely holy God, we accrue an infinite sin-debt. It's why only God could pay that debt.
There is no debt, that's just religious bullshite. And if Jesus paid that debt, you wouldn't be here.
quote:I know good from evil. You are evil because you rejection Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and are instead attempting to make a religion of man. You need to repent of your idolatry and put your trust in Jesus Christ.
You are here to learn good from evil.
quote:Keeping the commandments won't allow me back into the garden because it's impossible for me to keep them perfectly. If Adam could have returned to Eden by keeping God's commands, God wouldn't have barred the path back in.
You've been cast from the garden because as long as you do not keep the commandments, your very presence makes a heavenly society impossible. You can't return until you learn to keep the commandments.
quote:People were the authority? Jesus said that all authority in Heaven and on Earth has been given to Him in Matthew 28. You are deceived.
Keeping the commandments is the path. If you believe in Jesus you will do as he does. Jesus taught that the people were the authority, you claim such is nonsense and that people are incapable of these things, that they are no authority at all.
quote:He freely gave up His life because it was for that purpose that He was sent (John 10:17-18). He said many times that He was going to die and be raised up, predicting His own death, and how He gave up His life freely for the sheep of His flock. He sacrificed Himself for us.
You all claim you aren't from the religion of Saul the pharisee and yet all you tell me the claims of Saul, not Jesus. It's always the celebration of the death of truth via human sacrifice. He was murdered by his government and the religious authority. That he did not suffer the 2nd death shows he kept the commandments.
quote:What I said was an interpretation of what Jesus did say based on the context of that passage and the rest of Scripture. Why do you think Jesus didn't tell everyone to sell all their possessions if that was the way to eternal life? Jesus told people to repent of their sins and believe in Him. He encountered many people, healing and teaching, and yet the only time He told anyone to sell everything they had was to a very rich man who clearly made an idol of his possessions. The clear teaching is that the man thought he kept the whole law but failed in the first commandment. There was no need for Jesus to explain further; that's why the rest of the Bible exists.
You did not answer the actual question about the rich man. Why didn't Jesus tell him everything you just said? Instead he told the rich man to keep the commandments, give up his riches and follow him.
quote:According to 1 John 3:4 sin is lawlessness (disobeying the law). To atone for sin is to pay for sin, not to "fix" it. That's why I said we owe God a sin-debt. We cannot "fix" our sins by obeying, because we cannot obey perfectly. While Paul said "the wages of sin is death", he was just repeating the old testament that said "the soul who sins shall die" (Ezekiel 18:4) and Genesis 2:17, which God commanded obedience from Adam and the punishment of death for disobedience.
To sin is to make a mistake. To atone for your sin to fix your mistake. All God wants from you is to fix your mistakes. That's it. When you fix your mistakes, you are forgiven for them.
quote:Everyone sins; everyone breaks the commandments of God. There is no way to earn righteousness by the law.
As I've said before, yes you must keep the commandments to get back into the garden/heaven etc. So if you break one, you fail to meet that requirement.
quote:Clearly the 1st commandment was too hard for the rich man to keep. In the sermon on the mount, Jesus explained how murder and adultery are very hard to keep. Who hasn't been angry with someone unjustly? Who hasn't had a lustful thought for another person? Jesus said if you even have anger or lust in your heart, you've broken the 6th and 7th commandments.
And which commandment do you think is too hard to keep?
quote:Because Jesus knew the heart of the man who wasn't interested in following Jesus, but following his own riches. The command was like a rhetorical question. Jesus already knew the answer.
No, you still avoid the question. Why does Jesus tell the rich man that he must keep the commandments and then follow him, INSTEAD OF telling him that he just need to wait for his sacrifice and then he will be forgiven by simply believe in him.
quote:If Jesus was merely an example to follow, then why did He willingly give up His life for His sheep to give them eternal life when He could have lived a lot longer, being a better example and helping people obey the law better? He didn't say His purpose was to help others keep the law, but to lay down His life.
By Jesus fulfilling the law he shows what the true commandments are and how to follow them. He is the example to which you follow, not the idol to which you worship the death of as your salvation.
quote:You believe a lie and make God a liar.
The only thing saved by the death of truth is the lie. If you are saved by the death of truth, then you are saved by the lie, not the truth. The lie will live until the truth returns.
quote:You reject Jesus. He said that He came to give His life for His people and to give them life, not merely to teach them how to get it themselves through their works.
I reject Saul the pharisee.
quote:Judas gave up everything to follow Jesus, and yet Judas betrayed Jesus and died in his sins.
No, the church nor you requires the rich man to do what Jesus said. You don't believe men are even capable of doing what Jesus asked of the rich man.
The riches of the rich man were his god, and Jesus commands us to forsake all other gods and to worship Him alone. He and the Father are one, and Jesus accepted worship which was due to Him.
quote:Jesus is the Truth, and He is the God-man who gave His life for sinners. You are the son of your father, Satan, and you have no truth in you.
But I'm glad you at least admitted that you worship an idol. If you would just abandon the idol part and look for the Truth, the Way and the Light, you would be so much closer to the truth.
quote:I was right. You adhere to gnostic principles.
That which is flesh is flesh and that which is spirit is spirit. This is no such thing as godly flesh. God can only enter the flesh.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 3:38 pm to 3down10
quote:You reject real understanding because you have rejected what God has taught. You are listening to some subjective, private experience that you believe to be true rather than the public proclamation and preservation of the gospel of Jesus Christ, who was raised from the dead to justify sinners.
I know you don't understand it because you don't believe me - which is perfectly natural and reasonable. However, you are literally asking me to turn my back on God. And it's impossible that I would ever do that.
So you can condemn me and try to fear monger, but you are really wasting your time with this. The only thing that I will actually respond to is real understanding, and when that comes along I'm always grateful.
I don't believe you because you contradict the word of God.
And no, I do not condemn you. Only God can condemn. But He does condemn you if you do not believe in Jesus as the Messiah who takes away sin.
quote:But what did Jesus say? They weren't taking His life from Him, but He was giving it up freely. You make it seem like He was merely a victim of those who hated Him. No, Jesus predicted His own death and avoided it death until it was time for Him to give up His life for sins.
No, the death of the perfect was to allow the people who maintain control over other humans in sin to keep their control. That's why they did it.
quote:Jesus is the truth, and the only way for anyone to be saved. You think knowledge, wisdom, and obedience are the way, the truth, and the life, but not Jesus. You are an idolater and the son of wickedness according to God's word.
If that is what you are saved by, then you are not saved by the truth, the way and the life, you're saved by the lie, the sin and the death. The lie will live until the truth returns.
quote:I do believe that I have to keep the law. I don't believe that I have to do it to save myself. I believe I have to do it because it's what my Lord and Master wants of me. I'm not saved by my works because no one can be saved by obeying the commands because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. It's only by God's grace that any is saved, through the gift of faith in Jesus alone.
But you don't think you really have to keep them - because that is impossible according to you. Thus, you think you need to believe in the human sacrifice of truth as your pardon.
quote:Yes, that's right, because even 1 sin (not "mistake"--treason is not a mistake) deserves God's infinite wrath. He is perfect and holy and cannot even look upon sin. You think you can be right before God even with the sins you've committed and you are dead wrong. God is too holy to allow sin in His presence, which is why Jesus is our high priest and mediator, who removes our sins and makes us acceptable before God.
According to you, I can live a completely perfect life, live by the commandments except for 1 point in my life, I made a mistake. I learned from it and saw the errors in my ways, but I did make that 1 mistake in my life - and I will go to hell.
If you think your good works are enough to make you right before God, you will be very surprised. You are like the ones who did fantastic miracles in the name of Christ but whom Jesus didn't "know".
quote:Sort of. I can't "fix" my sins because you can't take back or make up for a sin; you can only have it forgiven for paid for. Either it is forgiven by the debt that Christ paid on the cross, or it will be paid back by me for eternity in Hell.
You on the other hand can commit as many sins as you want, continue to make them forever and never fix them. But as long as you believe "Jesus did for my sins" you can get a pardon and none of that matters, you are forgiven.
That false notion aside, no, I don't believe that a person can sin indiscriminately without repentance and be saved. Repentance is the key here. A repentance heart is one that is made new by God and operates by faith. Someone who is trusting in Christ's sacrifice by faith will be enabled more and more to obey God until he dies and all sin is finally removed in the glorified state.
I do not believe that works are not required for the Christian. I believe that they are required as necessary evidences of true salvation, but I don't believe that anyone can be perfectly obedient while our sinful nature abides in us. It's why we have to be perfected in glory upon death or when Christ returns and strips our sinful natures away.
quote:No one is saved by keeping the law. Law-breaking isn't even always done as a "mistake" and accident, but is often times done on purpose. Knowing what is right and doing what is right are two different things, and we cannot do what is right perfectly while we have sinful natures fighting in our flesh.
Sorry but I think you're in for disappointment. Now you can keep on believing all that stuff if you want as "insurance" if it makes you happy. I'm just recommending you learn and worry about keeping the commandments in addition.
I'm going to stop responding to you after this, because you are a son of Satan and attempting to leading Christ's people astray. I pray that you will receive forgiveness through the works of Jesus Christ alone, and that you will receive that by being born again by the Spirit of God through regeneration and adoption into the family of God. If you do not repent of your idolatry in attempting to save yourself through obedience to the law, you will die in sin and be judged by God for eternity for not measuring up to His perfect standard.
You need the gospel, and here it is:
You are a sinner. You sin every time you break any law of God. When you have lust in your heart for a woman (or man), or when you have hatred in your heart for anyone, you sin. When you steal from others, whether that be money, possessions, or even time from your job, you are sinning. When you slander or gossip, you sin. When you covet anything that doesn't belong to you, you sin. When you do not honor the laws of the land, your boss, or any lawful authority over you, you sin. When you do not keep the Sabbath day of God, you sin. When you take God's name in vain, reject His word, reject His promises, and reject the truth of the Scriptures given to you, you sin. When you worship God in any way other than He has commanded, you sin. When you worship any god other than the triune God of the Bible, you sin.
You sin all the time because you can't help it; you are a fallen sinner, tainted with original sin. You are guilty in Adam and you are guilty of actual sins against God. Even one sin deserves everlasting death and judgement because of its infinite offense against an infinitely holy God. Therefore, you deserve the wages of your works in Hell.
There is hope for you, however. Even though you are a sinner deserving of damnation, God has sent Jesus Christ into the world, taking on a human nature, to obey the law that we cannot obey perfectly. He became our substitute, and died on the cross as a sacrifice for the sins of the world to be received by faith. He was raised from the dead to conquer death and be the first fruits of the new life that we have in Him. He now sits enthroned in Heaven, ruling as the God-man mediator, King of kings and Lord of lords. You owe your allegiance and obedience to Him, and He will forgive you for every sin and every transgression if you put your trust in Him alone. If you rely on anything else for your salvation, including your own works, then you do not have pardon in Christ and you will not be accepted by God on that last great day. You will perish forever if you do not repent and turn by faith to Jesus Christ. Do it now because it is too late.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 3:58 pm to FooManChoo
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An idol is any object of worship that is not the one, true God.
That object for you is Jesus as a man/thing.
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I worship the truth who died to provide eternal life. He gave Himself as a sacrifice for sin.
But you worship his death and the sacrifice. You do things like wear crosses around your neck. It's only that single act that you really focus on. You get upset if anyone doesn't believe that part.
If you found out that part was not true, would you still be a Christian? Is his life alone enough for you to follow him? Do you see and understand why he said and did the things he did?
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This amounts to Jesus being nothing more than a motivational speaker.
I guess this answers my above question. That's sad.
You're wrong, he shows an understanding that personally gave me comfort because I didn't think anyone else understood these things. When I heard his words it was basically the first time I felt like that. And of course then there is the whole thing that it's Jesus and what not, that was actually pretty crazy for me, especially having grown up Christian and never hearing/understanding the words like that. It also gave me a basis for words and concepts that I really didn't know how to express.
For those without ears, I can understand why it means nothing without the sacrifice. But for those with ears, it's way more.
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Again, we are still supposed to keep God's commandments, but out of thanksgiving and worship, not to merit salvation. Jesus already did that for us, and we cannot do it ourselves.
Jesus taught that we are saved by believing in Him, not by obeying the commandments perfectly. See John 3:16, 18; 6:29; and 11:25-26.
Always with the cherry picked verse. I quote entire chapters, you cherry pick verses so you can provide your own context rather than the context the quote is actually in. You've done this multiple times, like the divorce thing.
Jesus saves by being the example to follow. AKA, the path. Not because people murdered him for it. The sacrifice, grace and all that is that he does it anyway knowing the consequences.
If you believe in him you will do as he does, not tell people it's impossible for them to do as he does because they aren't good enough. He didn't teach people they weren't good enough as you do, he taught them the opposite. That they could do it, and they would do it.
And for all your talk of only Jesus - as the man/flesh, he doesn't even agree with you. He says for those who don't hear or know him, they will hear the father within him. Try reading all of John 14, not cherry picked verses out of context.
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When we sin against an infinitely holy God, we accrue an infinite sin-debt. It's why only God could pay that debt.
infinite sin-debt? What nonsense. So God sacrificed himself to pay your debt to God, so that you may believe in that sacrifice and be saved. And that makes more sense to you than God just wants you to live correctly and learn from your mistakes, and that you are forgiven after you truly do so?
Do you have kids? Do you know anyone who parents in this manner? Do you punish your kids for vengeance, or to help them learn from their mistakes so they will do better? No, you just want your kids to do better.
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I know good from evil. You are evil because you rejection Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and are instead attempting to make a religion of man. You need to repent of your idolatry and put your trust in Jesus Christ.
You don't know good from evil. The best thing you have going for you is being poor in spirit.
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He freely gave up His life because it was for that purpose that He was sent (John 10:17-18). He said many times that He was going to die and be raised up, predicting His own death, and how He gave up His life freely for the sheep of His flock. He sacrificed Himself for us.
That which is spirit is spirit and that which is flesh is flesh. We will all die of the flesh, the death of spirit however is another thing. What this is showing is that only his flesh will die, not his spirit. This also why he has no fear.
On a larger scale, the death of the truth saves the lie, and the lie will live until the truth returns.
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People were the authority? Jesus said that all authority in Heaven and on Earth has been given to Him in Matthew 28. You are deceived.
Matthew 7. Again, I recommend reading it all for full context, but this is the summary at the end:
And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
Of course, Saul the pharisee would rather put that authority back to himself.
Gonna have to break this one up into parts.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 4:16 pm to FooManChoo
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What I said was an interpretation of what Jesus did say based on the context of that passage and the rest of Scripture. Why do you think Jesus didn't tell everyone to sell all their possessions if that was the way to eternal life? Jesus told people to repent of their sins and believe in Him. He encountered many people, healing and teaching, and yet the only time He told anyone to sell everything they had was to a very rich man who clearly made an idol of his possessions. The clear teaching is that the man thought he kept the whole law but failed in the first commandment. There was no need for Jesus to explain further; that's why the rest of the Bible exists.
It's not an interpretation, it's completely different. Again, the church would NEVER tell a rich man those things. Instead it's just the same things you say - believe Jesus died for his sins.
All you keep doing is telling me why he told the rich man to do those things, but you're not telling me why he didn't just need to believe in the sacrifice of Jesus.
2 completely different things.
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According to 1 John 3:4 sin is lawlessness (disobeying the law). To atone for sin is to pay for sin, not to "fix" it. That's why I said we owe God a sin-debt. We cannot "fix" our sins by obeying, because we cannot obey perfectly. While Paul said "the wages of sin is death", he was just repeating the old testament that said "the soul who sins shall die" (Ezekiel 18:4) and Genesis 2:17, which God commanded obedience from Adam and the punishment of death for disobedience.
Of course Saul the pharisee quotes the Torah. And the entire reason he turns Jesus into a sacrifice is trying to make it align with their existing rules of atonement. Where they would sacrifice innocent lambs for certain types of sins etc. That's what he does.
However, you are forgiven for your sins when you fix them. No different than a child is forgiven when they fix their mistakes. Not to be confused with a blind eye.
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Clearly the 1st commandment was too hard for the rich man to keep. In the sermon on the mount, Jesus explained how murder and adultery are very hard to keep. Who hasn't been angry with someone unjustly? Who hasn't had a lustful thought for another person? Jesus said if you even have anger or lust in your heart, you've broken the 6th and 7th commandments.
Then you don't believe Jesus kept the commandments since Jesus was angered multiple times. I think you are forgetting intent.
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Judas gave up everything to follow Jesus, and yet Judas betrayed Jesus and died in his sins.
The riches of the rich man were his god, and Jesus commands us to forsake all other gods and to worship Him alone. He and the Father are one, and Jesus accepted worship which was due to Him.
You still have no answered why Jesus didn't tell the rich man to just believe in his sacrifice. You keep going on and on about how the rich man wasn't good enough - that part is already established. What you refuse to address is that Jesus gave the rich man a different answer than the church.
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I was right. You adhere to gnostic principles.
I don't belong to any religion and I did not learn from man.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 4:39 pm to FooManChoo
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You reject real understanding because you have rejected what God has taught. You are listening to some subjective, private experience that you believe to be true rather than the public proclamation and preservation of the gospel of Jesus Christ, who was raised from the dead to justify sinners.
I don't believe you because you contradict the word of God.
And no, I do not condemn you. Only God can condemn. But He does condemn you if you do not believe in Jesus as the Messiah who takes away sin.
You do a hell of a lot of accusing and you don't show any understanding.
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But what did Jesus say? They weren't taking His life from Him, but He was giving it up freely. You make it seem like He was merely a victim of those who hated Him. No, Jesus predicted His own death and avoided it death until it was time for Him to give up His life for sins.
Because this is not his world. If it was his world - it would have been different. Whose world do you think this is? Evil is allowed here for a reason, and in the end it all serves God but that's not even close to a topic you could deal with.
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Jesus is the truth, and the only way for anyone to be saved. You think knowledge, wisdom, and obedience are the way, the truth, and the life, but not Jesus. You are an idolater and the son of wickedness according to God's word.
You can't do better if you don't first know better. Jesus even tells you in John 14 that the holy spirit will give you understanding. You think that's just "Jesus died on the cross and you're going to hell if you don't' believe it"?
I guess you think Proverbs 8 and 9 are gibberish.
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Yes, that's right, because even 1 sin (not "mistake"--treason is not a mistake) deserves God's infinite wrath.
Then so shall you receive.
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You need the gospel, and here it is:
You are a sinner. You sin every time you break any law of God. When you have lust in your heart for a woman (or man), or when you have hatred in your heart for anyone, you sin. When you steal from others, whether that be money, possessions, or even time from your job, you are sinning. When you slander or gossip, you sin. When you covet anything that doesn't belong to you, you sin. When you do not honor the laws of the land, your boss, or any lawful authority over you, you sin. When you do not keep the Sabbath day of God, you sin. When you take God's name in vain, reject His word, reject His promises, and reject the truth of the Scriptures given to you, you sin. When you worship God in any way other than He has commanded, you sin. When you worship any god other than the triune God of the Bible, you sin.
You sin all the time because you can't help it; you are a fallen sinner, tainted with original sin. You are guilty in Adam and you are guilty of actual sins against God. Even one sin deserves everlasting death and judgement because of its infinite offense against an infinitely holy God. Therefore, you deserve the wages of your works in Hell.
There is hope for you, however. Even though you are a sinner deserving of damnation, God has sent Jesus Christ into the world, taking on a human nature, to obey the law that we cannot obey perfectly. He became our substitute, and died on the cross as a sacrifice for the sins of the world to be received by faith. He was raised from the dead to conquer death and be the first fruits of the new life that we have in Him. He now sits enthroned in Heaven, ruling as the God-man mediator, King of kings and Lord of lords. You owe your allegiance and obedience to Him, and He will forgive you for every sin and every transgression if you put your trust in Him alone. If you rely on anything else for your salvation, including your own works, then you do not have pardon in Christ and you will not be accepted by God on that last great day. You will perish forever if you do not repent and turn by faith to Jesus Christ. Do it now because it is too late.
Guy, you really just don't get it. There is nothing you can say that will ever change me towards your religion. You'd have an easier time convincing me 1+1=3.
Since you like cherry picked verses and refuse to read entire chapters, I'll quote one.
Proverbs 9:6 Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.
And that's exactly what I will continue to do. Knowledge of the holy is understanding, and understanding is the gift of God. I hope some day you will understand.
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