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Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:13 pm to Pinecone Repair
quote:It is an extreme emotional reaction to what they see as a controllable event in a world that, in their opinion, is a patriarchy.
I'll never understand how a woman can so easily destroy life growing inside her. How have we become so depraved? Not only do these heartless bitches accept destroying life they actively encourage it as though it is a badge of honor.
It isn't the actual act, it is the symbolism of the act. They are in control.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:13 pm to LSUGrrrl
My pro-life stance has nothing to do with my Catholicism. I was pro-life before I was a Catholic.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:14 pm to FT
Precisely. It's about consistency of law. It's lazy to only argue against religious opposition to abortion.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:16 pm to LSUGrrrl
My argument is really simple, and it's just based on the idea that we can never actually know when "life" begins. I would be ok with some hypothetical abortion that took place early, or when "life" clearly wasn't present. But I can't pretend to know when that is, so I can't possibly be in favor of it.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:17 pm to ForeverLurking
quote:In your opinion. You hold the stance that abortion isn't the mass murder of people. She believes it is.
One is the genocide of a people, the other is not.
If you cannot see that, then I am wasting my time.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:19 pm to FT
quote:Under no circumstance would I personally support having an abortion done, but I am not here to make decisions for other people.
My argument is really simple, and it's just based on the idea that we can never actually know when "life" begins. I would be ok with some hypothetical abortion that took place early, or when "life" clearly wasn't present. But I can't pretend to know when that is, so I can't possibly be in favor of it.
I find the act deplorable and, frankly, as someone who wants to become a pediatrician, it makes me sick to my stomach.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:21 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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This is just so totally sick and twisted. Wow.
Par for the course for a true believer.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:21 pm to Scruffy
quote:That's essentially what I was saying. If it could be proven that life wasn't being harmed, then sure, I guess why not? The point of opposing it is to protect life.
Under no circumstance would I personally support having an abortion done
The issue is that it can never be proven, so I can never support it.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:24 pm to Scruffy
That makes sense but it just seems so contrary to the emotions I felt as an expectant mother. I really do sympathize with any young woman who becomes pregnant at a time that is not ideal. I've been there myself and it was terrifying. I never considered abortion to be an option.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:24 pm to ForeverLurking
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One is the genocide of a people, the other is not.
Systematic destruction of a group of "subhumans" (at least, as defined by the practitioners).
Sounds similar to me.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:34 pm to ForeverLurking
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Because it has nothing to do with abortion? She is using the comparison to push her religious beliefs.
False, many prolifers push for the sanctity of all life. This even includes taking a stand against state execution.
Her only point is that all life is precious. She isn't making an apples to apples comparison of the circumstances.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:39 pm to KeyserSoze999
The dirtiest part about all this is that hidden in the concern about a "woman's right to her body" is a very real distaste for the poor. Abortion activists may couch their language in freedom, but it is without question that many of them support its legality for reasons of population control.
LINK
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the co-counsel in Roe v. Wade, Ron Weddington, would later advise President Bill Clinton: “You can start immediately to eliminate the barely educated, unhealthy, and poor segment of our country,” by making abortifacients cheap and universally available. “It’s what we all know is true, but we only whisper it.”
LINK
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:40 pm to Pinecone Repair
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I'll never understand how a woman can so easily destroy life growing inside her. How have we become so depraved?
Not to over generalize, but for many women it is about avoiding the potential shame of an unplanned pregnancy out of wedlock. This often out weighs the life altering proposition of raising a child before they are ready.
It's unfortunate that our culture often leads people to feel this way, and not fully realize the choice they are making.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:46 pm to udtiger
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Sounds similar to me.
Very similar.
FT and Scruffy touched on this earlier. The simplest question to ask someone who is pro-choice is "When does life start?" The most common response is "I don't know."
If that is the case then you err on the side of caution. It is that simple.
But the reality is, that is not the crux of the argument. Just clever camouflage.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:46 pm to Bmath
Ft, the scripture says "I knew you before you were in the womb."
From that, when would you say life begins?
From that, when would you say life begins?
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:49 pm to ForeverLurking
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One is the genocide of a people, the other is not.
You should read Freakonomics:
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Chapter 4: The role legalized abortion has played in reducing crime, contrasted with the policies and downfall of Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu (Levitt explored this topic in an earlier paper entitled "The Impact of Legalized Abortion on Crime.")
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:54 pm to KeyserSoze999
FWIW, Nazis were antiabortion, at least for Aryans. They were all about big families and population growth.
Just pointing that out. Not saying the Duggars are Nazis.
Just pointing that out. Not saying the Duggars are Nazis.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:00 pm to KeyserSoze999
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Jessa Dugard
Who? Why does it matter what she says or what other people think about what she says?
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:04 pm to Bmath
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