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re: JD Vance: President Trump and I will not stand for it.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:21 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:21 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Afuera!!
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:21 am to THRILLHO
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I'm not being snarky when I ask this, but what steps should be required for this due process to determine whether someone is in this country illegally or not? Should it require a trial? Being here legally vs illegally seems pretty binary, and not really a potential "beyond a reasonable doubt" situation.
The Due Process already involved in immigration court is about as bare bones as you can get. You're not guaranteed a lawyer, the legal threshold is low, etc.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:23 am to trinidadtiger
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Well that is the first step and it makes the rest of the argument a nonstarter.....its why people like okie like to skip over it.
It's an incorrect argument. That's why smart people and those who understand the argument being had ignore it.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:23 am to oklahogjr
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Loves America but not the constitution...gotcha
I bet the Obama and Biden administrations have been smacked down by the SCOTUS for violating the Constitution more than both of the Trump administrations combined.
Cry harder. Commie pig. We all know you and your comrades are anti-American and hate this country
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 7:44 am
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:23 am to lake chuck fan
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but if we continue to allow the eradication of our traditional American values
JD Vance is doing this by arguing to eradicate due process my brother.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:24 am to lake chuck fan
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If a person is here illegally and not a citizen, wouldn't that person still be considered to be under the jurisdiction of his home country, where he is a legal citizen?
If he wasn't, then we couldn't arrest/detain him.
Is that really the argument you want to make?
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:24 am to udtiger
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There's your due process.
Not sure I agree with all your specific proposals, but I like the idea. In terms of fact finding, there could be some broad facts already stipulated. For instance, like with Abrego-Garcia, the particular gang that had threatened him has been eliminated and fear of it can no longer support an asylum claim.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:24 am to Mandtgr47
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hese illegals, and YES, they are illegals, are afforded NO DUE PROCESS, and are NOT protected under the constitution.
100% wrong.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:25 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Where does the Constitution apply to non-citizens?
Many places, including due process.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:26 am to THRILLHO
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Democrats are NEVER going to follow the law when it comes to immigration, so why should Republicans (at least the few that actually care about immigration)? I don't give a shite if Trump is skirting the law. The realistic worst case scenario is that legal immigrants (but still non-citizens) get deported. We have too many legal immigrants anyway, so frick it.
Agreed.
The failure of the Pitiful Republicans trying to maintain a squeaky clean image is a big part of the reason we are in this mess to begin with.
At this point I don't GAF if Trump bends the rules to get these F'ers out of our Country.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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100% wrong.
Not in Maga world. Sorry bye bye
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:29 am to oklahogjr
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Loves America but not the constitution...gotcha
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oklahogjr
You got your 250+ down votes for your ignorant drive-by. Congrats.
Would be interesting to see if youll let us know what is unconstitutional about what he said.
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 7:29 am
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:30 am to SDVTiger
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Not in Maga world. Sorry bye bye
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The detainees also sought equitable relief against summary removal. Although judicial review under the AEA is limited, we have held that an individual subject to detention and removal under that statute is entitled to “‘judicial review’” as to “questions of interpretation and constitutionality” of the Act as well as whether he or she “is in fact an alien enemy fourteen years of age or older.”
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The Government expressly agrees that “TdA members subject to removal under the Alien Enemies Act get judicial review.” Reply in Support of Application To Vacate 1. “It is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law” in the context of removal proceedings.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:31 am to oklahogjr
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Sure as they didn't believe women should vote let alone be a judge but we tend to follow their words and ideal not how they actually lived or biases in their lives. We have evolved plenty of thought since the founders but removing legal protection from the government enforcement arm isn't something we should toss away lightly.
Are you this fxcking stupid. Not one, but two, immigration judges ordered this illegal piece of shite removed. Stop the bleeding heart bullshite you stupid bitch because it will exsanguinate this country. Plus where was your outrage while your leaders allowed millions of illegal immigrants unchecked across the border? Where was you outrage when US Citizens where injured or worse murdered by these unchecked illegal pieces of shite? Yet you care about this illegal piece of shits “rights” to a third deportation agreement. You are a HORRIBLE PERSON BRAINWASHED BY YOUR OVERLORDS!
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:31 am to HagaDaga
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Would be interesting to see if youll let us know what is unconstitutional about what he said.
He's basically arguing that we can't give illegals due process, so since it would be hard, we shouldn't have to. That's unconstitutional, as they are guaranteed due process.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:32 am to SlowFlowPro
Thats wonderful. They arent listening to that anymore
Just like how you dems didnt follow the constitution the last 40yrs
Just like how you dems didnt follow the constitution the last 40yrs
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:34 am to oklahogjr
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Which is pretty terrifying for this of us who love America..
You don’t love Americans you love power. Your overlords broke hundreds of laws and you didn’t blink. Your overloads funded this with billlions of tax payers dollars and you didn’t blink. Now you blink over an illegal piece of shite that had two deportation hearings and lost both! Dispute that bitch!
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:36 am to Monahans
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If you loved America you wouldnt be supporting the government sponsored invasion of our country and you wouldnt have a problem with swiftly removing the invaders.
What you fail to grasp is the person you are replying to wants you replaced, NOW, with these people. He "loves" America, but only if it has people that agree with his vision of a third world utopia run by his elite heros.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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The issue is the mistakes, which is why this case has become such a big deal. Proper Due Process eliminates the possibilities of these mistakes, which is the point
Why do we need such a bureaucratic process for proving one’s citizenship? Isn’t that part of the issue here too? The burden should be on the individual to prove their citizenship, no?
What is so complicated in all this that a judge is needed for EVERY case? Judges are few.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:40 am to oklahogjr
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constitution...gotcha
Was written by Americans for Americans.
Liberals live for the "gotcha", but are more than likely either ignorant to or not concerned about the total picture
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