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re: JD Vance: President Trump and I will not stand for it.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 5:53 am to GamecockUltimate
Posted on 4/16/25 at 5:53 am to GamecockUltimate
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.but not granting due process means ice could pick up just anyone and ship them out
please cite examples of this happening.
You know what else Trump COULD do, round all you nut jobs up and send you to camps. Yes, he COULD do that, just about as much chance as us deporting illegals....but we get it, you want to play the what if game.
These illegals, and YES, they are illegals, are afforded NO DUE PROCESS, and are NOT protected under the constitution. In addition, aside from breaking the law entering the country illegally, most, if not all, have broken the laws of this country (aside from entering illegally). But, bless your heart woman...you go on with your "feelings" and virtue signaling. This is why women should not be in power. Hard decisions have to be made, while taking the "feelings" out of it. This has to be done in order to clean up our country from the filth that your administration promoted.
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 6:00 am to oklahogjr
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Which is pretty terrifying for this of us who love America...
What's terrifying is the number of crimes committed by illegals that would never have happened if not for Biden's open borders. If you really loved America, you would want its citizens to be safe. That said, why would you want gang members to live here? Save us the fake concerns about America.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 6:02 am to UcobiaA
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If the dude didn't have a wife and kids, he wouldn't be getting any publicity and none of these dems would know to put on the outraged face.
There is no reason this man should be separated from his wife and kids. They should be allowed to deport with him.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 6:06 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Invite the 3rd world, become the 3rd world. The founders warned us. We are close to losing the Republic.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 6:28 am to oklahogjr
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Which is pretty terrifying for this of us who love America...
Setting aside your belief on what is constitutionally required, as a regular human being, do you think it is reasonable for the US to have to spend billions and years simply to remove people who illegally entered our country?
I think a reasonable person can say "I agree with Vance, but I think it puts us in a very difficult spot and obviously the only answer that fits both needs is to ensure a due process system for deportation that is far more efficient but still accomplishes DP"
But Vance is right, that 90% of the people upset at his comments don't want that - they want to completely undermine our ability to enforce our immigration law at all. Those people don't love America, which isn't surprising.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 6:44 am to AndyCBR
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The inalienable rights granted by God that are guaranteed by the constitution do not transfer to illegal criminal invaders.
So, you're saying our inalienable rights, granted by God, are actually alienable?
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The "due process" is complete once you have been shown to reside within the confines of our border without a visa or other legal means to be here.
Okay, I agree with you. But "shown" to whom? We don't just take ICE's word for it. ICE has already admitted it makes mistakes. So, that's where immigration judges come in, or at least some neutral adjudicator. This doesn't require a drawn out jury trial...prove they are here illegally and ship them out.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 6:55 am to GamecockUltimate
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and this is the issue...MAGA doesnt know what due process is. It isn't the sentencing, it's proving that someone is in fact illegal in a court of law.
No. I understand this. What you are saying is that the game is easy for democrats. Just let as many people in when you have power…so many, in fact, that it’s impossible to give them all hearings… give them benefits so they’ll vote for you, then cry about due process when the other side tries to do anything about it.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:00 am to KCT
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This is an OUTSTANDING EXAMPLE of what I voted for.
This is exactly what I voted for.
It would take 100 Years for Muh Due Process to play out the way some of the Bleeding Vaginas want.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:04 am to oklahogjr
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oklahogjr
If by chance you find yourself standing at the edge of a cliff today, don’t be afraid to throw yourself off.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:05 am to oklahogjr
And why is this an example of not loving the Constitution?
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:06 am to Tiger Attorney
And 2032. This one though I may need someone to check my vote so a Democrat doesn’t steal the vote
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:11 am to LawTalkingGuy
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ICE has already admitted it makes mistakes. So, that's where immigration judges come in, or at least some neutral adjudicator
Judges don’t make mistakes?
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:12 am to oklahogjr
Where does the Constitution apply to non-citizens?
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:14 am to oklahogjr
Well the go to in this example is the Framers we’re correct in not initially using women to vote, it hasn’t worked out to well. But I’ll play the game, how exactly is bending, stretching and twisting any part of the laws as lawyers have done considered being protected by the Constitution? We have SC to try and interpret the original message of the constitution but this situation was not among any case ever brought forth but rather an election or job placement process.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:15 am to cmac5125
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What I don’t understand is how an illegal alien is entitled to what the constitution affords our citizens—due process. If they are illegal, they should have no rights whatsoever.
This makes no logical sense.
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Why do they get the benefit of our courts at the expense of American taxpayers?
Our Constitution and the basic rule of law?
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:16 am to Riverside
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They don’t. That’s JD’s point.
Well the Supreme Court just ruled otherwise unanimously, confirming a long line of jurisprudence on the issue.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:16 am to Chazreinhold
Trump should:
1) hire 2500 emergency/temporary immigration ALJs and 2000 emergency/temporary government lawyers (1000 for parolees and 1000 for government)
2) set them up in unused federal government offices/courthouse spaces all over the country - proportional to where these frickers are
3) publicly annouce to the parolees they must contact those judges, IN PERSON, within 7 days to arrange for their hearing - failure to do so will be an irrevocable waiver of any right to hearing before deportation
4) for those that do appear, hearings will be scheduled to be held within 30 days. All evidence/briefing to be submitted no later than 10 days prior to the hearing. Failure to comply with deadlines or to appear for any reason will be an irrevocable waiver of any right to hearing before deportation.
5) hearings will be 5 minutes and will start and end on time. There will be a presumption against asylum or remaining in the country so there will be no need for the government to present argument (it can submit briefing and evidence no later than 3 days before the hearing)
6) rulings from the court will be final and immediately appealable. No motions for new trial will be allowed. They will have 10 days to file their appeal and reviewing courts will be required to dispose of appeals within 45 days.
7) there is no review beyond appellate court.
There's your due process.
1) hire 2500 emergency/temporary immigration ALJs and 2000 emergency/temporary government lawyers (1000 for parolees and 1000 for government)
2) set them up in unused federal government offices/courthouse spaces all over the country - proportional to where these frickers are
3) publicly annouce to the parolees they must contact those judges, IN PERSON, within 7 days to arrange for their hearing - failure to do so will be an irrevocable waiver of any right to hearing before deportation
4) for those that do appear, hearings will be scheduled to be held within 30 days. All evidence/briefing to be submitted no later than 10 days prior to the hearing. Failure to comply with deadlines or to appear for any reason will be an irrevocable waiver of any right to hearing before deportation.
5) hearings will be 5 minutes and will start and end on time. There will be a presumption against asylum or remaining in the country so there will be no need for the government to present argument (it can submit briefing and evidence no later than 3 days before the hearing)
6) rulings from the court will be final and immediately appealable. No motions for new trial will be allowed. They will have 10 days to file their appeal and reviewing courts will be required to dispose of appeals within 45 days.
7) there is no review beyond appellate court.
There's your due process.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:18 am to SUB
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It would be impossible to allow for hearings for millions
As I said during the campaign, their plan needed funding for a LOT of admin law judges in immigration court.
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this is the best we can do in a crisis
This is how our rights get trampled. This sounds like the BS during other overblown crises like terrorism, Covid, etc.
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It should not be inhumane to just send these folks home.
The issue is the mistakes, which is why this case has become such a big deal. Proper Due Process eliminates the possibilities of these mistakes, which is the point.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:20 am to oklahogjr
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Which is pretty terrifying for this of us who love America...
You a-hole.Democrats are the biggest threat that this country faces.
I would 100% support putting you all in camps and deporting you to El Salvador.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:20 am to mjfrog93
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If you love America as you say, you would at least acknowledge that globalists
Doesn't matter what you say next, the answer is "nope"
Real Americans aren't scared of made up boogeymen and cultists to political catch phrases.
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