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re: JD Vance explains the Thomas Massie issue.
Posted on 10/30/25 at 9:58 am to Bamanjo
Posted on 10/30/25 at 9:58 am to Bamanjo
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beat out Massie’s brand of earnest libertarianism is so depressing.
simple he needs to go be a libtardtarian they have a party they have primaries they just never win elections. why would you expect libtardtarians to have a place in the republican party.
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Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:00 am to dickkellog
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Whats wrong with fiscal restraint? Why do you progressives love your debt so much?
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simple he needs to go be a libtardtarian
Whats wrong with fiscal restraint? Why do you progressives love your debt so much?
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:02 am to GumboPot
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when you always vote against a party, you can‘t expect the party to actually back him.
This is the point we have tried to make over and over again
Rand and Massie are self proclaimed Libertarians. They are not Republicans. They pretend to be one, just so they can get elected in a red state. Once elected they act like the cowards they are, by voting libertarian, without have the balls to run as libertarians
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:03 am to TigerAxeOK
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Trump, however, is still FAR better than the alternative would have been. If Harris had won....
True, but the real issue isn't, "But...but Trump is much better than the alternative of a low-IQ drunken retard as President!"; The issue or question is, 'IS President Trump standing on conservative, true "Make America First / Great" principles, policies, and agenda."
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The majority of us aren't just "in lock step" on those issues like the Epstein situation. We still want the promises made to ultimately be kept. And on a few key issues, we feel betrayed.
100%
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:05 am to RobbBobb
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when you always vote against a party, you can‘t expect the party to actually back him.
This is the point we have tried to make over and over again
Its a retarded point. Trump cozies up with Ms Lindsey, and hates Massie.
Should be enough for you to realize you've been fooled.
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:06 am to Penrod
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Nope. This is dead wrong and is a super common mistake. Massie advocates term limits for all, not for one.
Yet you told me that Massies always leads by example
Until it hurts Massie, I guess
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:06 am to RogerTheShrubber
Then let Massie and Rand run as libertarians, and see how that goes
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:11 am to RobbBobb
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Then let Massie and Rand run as libertarians,
they are conservatives who lean libertarian.
MAGA doesnt know what conservatism is anymore.
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:12 am to Bamanjo
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Massie’s brand of earnest libertarianism
I say this as someone who spent the first decade and a half of my adult life as an ardent libertarian.
Its a foolish, pie in the sky ideology, that is as naive as socialism. Its mutually assured destruction. It doesnt work.
The day the country and government is made up of 100% informed, intelligent, moral actors, you can find me standing next to Massie and Paul again. And on some specific issues, you can find me standing next to them today.
But wholesale, in the real world, libertarianism is dumb and gay and a way for you to wave the white flag as the world burns around you and get to feel good about yourself.
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:16 am to BTROleMisser
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The Trump admin has done more to expose and attempt to address waste, fraud and abuse in government spending than any President in my lifetime...
That's the story we were told. IS IT ALL TRUE? Do we have the official numbers and perp-orgs?
Lotta noise and thunder initially. An audit, some big claims, then conspicuous silence.
So how much are we told the DOGE op slashed the feral budget and reduced the insane deficit? (It's $38T now)
Why are NGOs still operating and funding clown shows like 'NO KINGS' and other chaos? Do we now have a re-adjusted budget reflecting re-allocations based on the gazillions in "savings"?
And exactly WHO got busted in the NGO-scam? Where are the DOJ / FIB indictments and prosecutions? And what happened to the $5,000 per person rebate promise teased by the President?
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:19 am to RobbBobb
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Then let Massie and Rand run as libertarians, and see how that goes
I for one would love to see them running as Independents or establishing a real "America-First" conservative" party They'd win running away.
The Trump's new moral relative GOP remains a pro-Globalist, closet-socialist, pro-War, pro-Statist party -- and "Lesser of two Evils."
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:20 am to EphesianArmor
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The Trump's new moral relative GOP remains a pro-Globalist, closet-socialist, pro-War, pro-Statist party -- and "Lesser of two Evils."
I think they take their "national socialism" seriously in MAGA country
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:26 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Liberty Score: 43
Trump: "Here's my champion, the GREAT Lindsey Graham!! Re-elect this RINO because he'll Rubber Stamp war funds to Ukraine and any other BS war funding I demand as your neo-Roman Emperor!"
"Thomas Massie? Liberty 96 Score? Meh. That only means he's America First, NOT 'Emperor First!'
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:26 am to 3down10
The left can’t meme.
A meme requires honesty.
Coincidence?
A meme requires honesty.
Coincidence?
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I think they take their "national socialism" seriously in MAGA country
Just wait till they get the bill. (and chaos they unknowingly ordered)
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:28 am to EphesianArmor
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Liberty Score: 43
Exactly.
Lindey influences Trump, and votes with Democrats more than almost any other Republican.
Yet Massie with a near perfect liberty score is a "democrat" according to the cult.
This is one reason normal people have little respect for MAGA politics.
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:28 am to EphesianArmor
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Just wait till they get the bill. (and chaos they unknowingly ordered)
THey'll blame it on someone else, like they did post Covid inflation.
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:30 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Its a retarded point. Trump cozies up with Ms Lindsey, and hates Massie.
No one is going to argue against lindsey being a swamp rat. Trump is positive towards lindsey because lindsay is helping pass what Trump was elected on. Massie is roadblocking practically everything Trump ran on. Politics requires compromise and Rand and massie dont understand they will never get 100% what they want without thousands of tiny steps between where we are and where they want to be. It cannot be done the way they want it done.
As an aside, that is exactly how controlled opposition works. Promote something impossible to give the appearance of a choice so that in reality there is no choice.
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
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MAGA doesnt know what conservatism is anymore.
It's shocking to see and witness.
The programming has taken hold. It's as though they are under hypnotic spell.
Posted on 10/30/25 at 10:35 am to GumboPot
Vance not wrong
One thing to be a fetterman type of politician and cross the aisle, another to just not vote for your party to spite
One thing to be a fetterman type of politician and cross the aisle, another to just not vote for your party to spite
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