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JBE pushing change for flawed Voucher Program
Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:30 pm
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The governor’s assertion comes on the heels of “The Cost of Choice,” an investigation by NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune, WVUE Fox 8 News, WWNO and Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting, which found that thousands of voucher students are sent to low-performing private schools that receive millions of dollars in public money with little oversight. Two-thirds of all students in the voucher system attended schools where they performed at a “D” or “F” level for the 2017-18 school year, the news organizations found.
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The voucher program is useful in concept but this state already spends enough on handouts glad to see some initiative to fix the loop holes.
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Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:33 pm to GoodOlBoy7
Good. These pop up voucher private schools are using DVDs as teachers and the students are failing. It is a big scam using children as pawns for monetary gain.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:41 pm to GoodOlBoy7
BS
Opponents of vouchers ignore the fact that there are waiting list for them.
They also ignore that bad private schools fail and close.
They support bad public schools that never close. If you want to end wasteful spending close the bad public schools.
We need to be ALL VOUCHER make the schools compete. Give the education administrators the power to run schools as they see fit and give ambitious, smart educators the power to make changes they see that will lead to better schools.
It is absolutely ridiculous to advocate for the government run school system we have now given the decades of poor performance taxpayers have endured to prop up that bureaucracy.
All vouchers will result in more of the schools you call "pop up" schools and that is a good thing. Competition should not be restrained but encourages and poor performing schools will be out of business just as a poorly managed grocery store will go out of business.
Opponents of vouchers ignore the fact that there are waiting list for them.
They also ignore that bad private schools fail and close.
They support bad public schools that never close. If you want to end wasteful spending close the bad public schools.
We need to be ALL VOUCHER make the schools compete. Give the education administrators the power to run schools as they see fit and give ambitious, smart educators the power to make changes they see that will lead to better schools.
It is absolutely ridiculous to advocate for the government run school system we have now given the decades of poor performance taxpayers have endured to prop up that bureaucracy.
All vouchers will result in more of the schools you call "pop up" schools and that is a good thing. Competition should not be restrained but encourages and poor performing schools will be out of business just as a poorly managed grocery store will go out of business.
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:42 pm to GoodOlBoy7
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found that thousands of voucher students are sent to low-performing private schools that receive millions of dollars in public money with little oversight. Two-thirds of all students in the voucher system attended schools where they performed at a “D” or “F” level for the 2017-18 school year, the news organizations found.
Don't trust JBE one bit on this issue. Sure 2/3s of the schools are D or F, but the 100% of the students came from D or F schools (that is an eligibility requirement).
Why doesn't he funnel some of his energy into improving these D or F public schools? Or was his only idea to throw a $100 million pay raise at the problem???
Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:43 pm to I B Freeman
there is a widespread baseline of failure of the voucher program in Nola. It's pretty damn embarrassing.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:03 pm to BigJim
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Don't trust JBE one bit on this issue. Sure 2/3s of the schools are D or F, but the 100% of the students came from D or F schools (that is an eligibility requirement).
Actually, you can get in if you go to a C School.
You can also enter at kindergarten, no matter what grade the school you would have attended.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:05 pm to I B Freeman
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Opponents of vouchers ignore the fact that there are waiting list for them.
They also ignore that bad private schools fail and close.
They support bad public schools that never close. If you want to end wasteful spending close the bad public schools.
We need to be ALL VOUCHER make the schools compete. Give the education administrators the power to run schools as they see fit and give ambitious, smart educators the power to make changes they see that will lead to better schools.
It is absolutely ridiculous to advocate for the government run school system we have now given the decades of poor performance taxpayers have endured to prop up that bureaucracy.
All vouchers will result in more of the schools you call "pop up" schools and that is a good thing. Competition should not be restrained but encourages and poor performing schools will be out of business just as a poorly managed grocery store will go out of business.
I'd be willing to go along with all of your foolishness if you would be willing to admit that schools that accept vouchers should be held up to standards and graded/ranked.
If my taxpayer money is being spent on vouchers or public schools, I damn sure want to know it's being spent well and the people that run them are being held to account.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:07 pm to BigJim
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Why doesn't he funnel some of his energy into improving these D or F public schools? Or was his only idea to throw a $100 million pay raise at the problem???
The only thing he can really do is propose to expand the use of the RSD, and once schools enter it, charter them.
He could also advocate for more local control and funding of schools, but that's not going to guarantee their success.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:13 pm to BigJim
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Don't trust JBE one bit on this issue. Sure 2/3s of the schools are D or F, but the 100% of the students came from D or F schools (that is an eligibility requirement).
Exactly the problem. From D and F schools to D and F schools but at a much higher cost. That's the reason the Jindal handout to crappy for profit schools should end.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:15 pm to GoodOlBoy7
We tried to warn all these schools from taking government money.
And here we go! The fed and state governments had to think of a way to gain control over private schools. So they devised this program. The better private schools knew not to even think about implementing this.
So they donit for a couple of years to get the schools reliant on the voucher money. Now they start their control move. Theyll make the schools taking money adjust their curriculum and other "rules" or risk losing the voucher money.
And just like that, those dumb private schools that fell for the program, have lost their "private" status of not being controlled.
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with little oversight.
And here we go! The fed and state governments had to think of a way to gain control over private schools. So they devised this program. The better private schools knew not to even think about implementing this.
So they donit for a couple of years to get the schools reliant on the voucher money. Now they start their control move. Theyll make the schools taking money adjust their curriculum and other "rules" or risk losing the voucher money.
And just like that, those dumb private schools that fell for the program, have lost their "private" status of not being controlled.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:16 pm to TBoy
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Exactly the problem. From D and F schools to D and F schools but at a much higher cost. That's the reason the Jindal handout to crappy for profit schools should end.
The vouchers from the state was capped at an amount less than what the state provides in per-student funding through the MFP.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:18 pm to GeeOH
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We tried to warn all these schools from taking government money.
At least in NOLA area, pretty much 100 percent of the schools that took voucher money, would not be in existence in 2019 if they turned it down.
And it was 100 percent the GOPers, not really the "big government control types" that started the voucher program.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:23 pm to LSUFanHouston
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least in NOLA area, pretty much 100 percent of the schools that took voucher money, would not be in existence in 2019 if they turned it down.
simply not true
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:23 pm to t00f
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there is a widespread baseline of failure of the voucher program in Nola. It's pretty damn embarrassing.
Yet it is still FAR better than the old government school system pre Katrina.
Bad private schools in New Orleans shut down every year yet government school rated D and F are NEVER shut down.
Where are we wasting the most money---clearly on the support of government run schools.
(our entire rating system is suspect given the bureaucracy's change of testing standards and rating standards that always seem to raise scores miraculously.)
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:30 pm to GeeOH
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simply not true
Umm... it's absolutely true.
Take a look at the schools that are accepting voucher kids, and more importantly, take a look at the ones that aren't.
If 30 percent or more of your students are on vouchers... you are in danger of having to close down.
You should read this article: LINK
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Twenty-nine of the 80 schools under the jurisdiction of the archdiocese participate in the Louisiana Scholarship Program. In 17 of the participating schools, according to state records, most students attend on taxpayer-funded vouchers.
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Dr. RaeNell Houston, superintendent of archdiocese schools, acknowledged the scholarship program has helped keep some Catholic schools open,
A graphic in that article has 4 schools that have at least 94% voucher use
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:31 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Actually, you can get in if you go to a C School.
You can also enter at kindergarten, no matter what grade the school you would have attended.
Ah fair enough. Would be good to know how many students left C schools to use a voucher.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:31 pm to I B Freeman
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Bad private schools in New Orleans shut down every year yet government school rated D and F are NEVER shut down.
With the 2019 school year, every single public school in OPSB will be a charter
Charter schools consistently have their charter pulled after multiple years of F. Pulling a charter is the same thing as closing a school.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:31 pm to I B Freeman
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Bad private schools in New Orleans shut down every year yet government school rated D and F are NEVER shut down.
This seems to be a large city issue. Many parishes have very little interest in voucher programs at all. So why does this need to be a statewide issue?
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:33 pm to I B Freeman
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Bad private schools in New Orleans shut down every year yet government school rated D and F are NEVER shut down.
Wait, almost all schools in new orleans are charters and they do get shut down
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:39 pm to I B Freeman
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Yet it is still FAR better than the old government school system pre Katrina.
The corrupt school system before Katrina was at an all time low.
The shift to charter school during recovery and afterwards has been a huge boost.
You think schools like Lusher, Ben Franklin, Hynes, Audubon, New Orleans Charter Science and Mathematics and Warren Easton are terrible?
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