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re: Jacksonville Police investigate themselves and, as per usual, find themselves not-guilty
Posted on 7/23/25 at 12:28 pm to TigerGman
Posted on 7/23/25 at 12:28 pm to TigerGman
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Yeah. THat;s exactly what I'm saying numbnutts. You got a US Supreme court case that say it's up to the the person, not the cop, to decide if they want to comply or not?
Actually yes. Every word that comes out of a police officer's head is not an order. If you're walking down the street right now in a car comes up and tells you to sit down you can tell him to go frick himself. Now he's probably going to react like a child. But you can bet the courts are going to rule against him because he did not give you a lawful order. And any charges he's trying to level against you to failure to comply or going to be thrown out
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Posted on 7/23/25 at 12:30 pm to TigerGman
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So let me get this straight. Show me in the 4th amendment where is says the potential perp has the right to resist a "Terry" stop or an arrest cause they think there is no probable cause. Specific language only.
There are requirements for a Terry stop to even be considered legitimate. In fact that's kind of the entire fricking point of the decision. So if the stop doesn't meet those requirements
......... do I really have to explain this? Again. You're correct. If the cop is wrong and you do this he's still going to act like a fricking child. But at the end of the day you're going to win the court decision if the stop wasn't legitimate.
You guys all seem focused on the fact that if I kiss his arse I can avoid him acting like a child while completely ignoring him being illegitimate and acting like a child. I'll be the first to admit that yes I can deal with the overgrown toddler with a badge by giving him a pacifier but that doesn't change the fact he's an overgrown toddler with a badge
Posted on 7/23/25 at 12:45 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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So if the stop doesn't meet those requirements
......... do I really have to explain this?
Yes you do. You still won't answer how it is the individual has the right to be non compliant and resist because he believes the stop is unlawful..
Please do, in detail..or shut up about it. Because there's zero doubt you don't know what you are talking about..
Posted on 7/23/25 at 12:53 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
quote:'-=
Actually yes. Every word that comes out of a police officer's head is not an order.
That is NOT how it works numbnutts. Sure you may be able to bounce the charge for lack of probable cause and maybe even sue. But that comes later.
You CANNOT fail to obey a law enforcement commands cause you think you know the law better than he does.
Once again , show me a US Supreme court case that says you can resist arrest or temporary stop, and shoot the cop the bird as you haul arse down the highway cause you decide he's wrong.
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Posted on 7/23/25 at 12:55 pm to TigerGman
Simple fix.
Don’t get your butt in trouble in Jacksonville and you won’t spend a day in court.
Don’t get your butt in trouble in Jacksonville and you won’t spend a day in court.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 1:00 pm to TigerGman
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Yes you do. You still won't answer how it is the individual has the right to be non compliant and resist because he believes the stop is unlawful
I don't have to explain. Charges against such people get dropped all the time once they get in front of a court and the stop is determined to be illegitimate. I mean that happens hundreds of times a year if not thousands. So quite obviously if you charge me with a crime for failing to comply and those charges get thrown out I had a right to fail to comply. Do I fricking have to explain that?
You seem to be confusing the reality that if I fail to comply the poor little toddler with a badge is going to be a piece of shite and get violent with what he's actually allowed to do. You're right. If I don't comply he is probably going to be a piece of shite who gets violent. But that doesn't mean he's allowed
This post was edited on 7/23/25 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 7/23/25 at 1:02 pm to TigerGman
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So let me get this straight. Show me in the 4th amendment where is says the potential perp has the right to resist a "Terry" stop or an arrest cause they think there is no probable cause. Specific language only.
So now you're moving the goalpost and pretending the topic was "resisting"
It's not my job to "show you in the 4th amendment" because you're a fricking idiot.
And I didn't say "probable cause," said reasonable suspension.
You're just a liar, and you're probably a corrupt cop, or kin to one.
Sitting in a car and being silent is not "resisting", especially when there is no probable cause. Citizens have a right to judge their actions in relation to their rights.
saying someone should "have their lights on" is no reason to act the way this fagot cop acted.
BTW, Fox News is on the story. So the RINO network is ready to throw this cop under the bus. Pretty funny!
Posted on 7/23/25 at 1:11 pm to TigerGman
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Yes you do. You still won't answer how it is the individual has the right to be non compliant and resist because he believes the stop is unlawful..
Please do, in detail..or shut up about it. Because there's zero doubt you don't know what you are talking about..
You're an idiot. You don't know the law.
And also, Imagine that same driver was, instead, your granddaughter. Imagine she said the exact same words, and the cop broke her window out and punched her in the face several times.
Now, where do you stand? Because that driver didn't curse, didn't raise his voice, did not call the cop a name, same as most people's granddaughters would react.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 1:14 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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And also, Imagine that same driver was, instead, your granddaughter. Imagine she said the exact same words, and the cop broke her window out and punched her in the face several times
The basic position of these people is always effectively this. That you should always simply treat police officers as if they are poisonous snake. Something incapable of rational thought. As if the officer is somehow not responsible for his own decisions. As if he's such a child that if you upset him he's going to bite you. Literally no responsibility laid upon the officer. All of the responsibility laid upon the person pulled over to make sure that the poisonous snake doesn't bite. It's the most absurd shifting of responsibility you can imagine. And it's what creates police officers who think they can do no wrong because frankly they can't. Even if they do something flagrantly wrong resulting in a massive lawsuit not a single dime of that's going to come out of their pocket. And sometimes they will even say that shite out loud to people.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 1:16 pm to TigerGman
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TigerGman
the driver literally did nothing wrong, you a-hole
Posted on 7/23/25 at 1:19 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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1. This skips right over the fact the officer pulled the guy over for not having his lights on in inclement weather AND IT WASN"T RAINING!!!!! Come on
How about the seatbelt violation in Florida? In Louisiana, it is a violation that can get you pulled over.
Additionally, the podcast guy is misstating the law a tad. It’s not probable cause for a stop, but rather reasonable suspicion. Probable cause must exist for an arrest.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 1:26 pm to bluedragon
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Simple fix.
Don’t get your butt in trouble in Jacksonville and you won’t spend a day in court.
What did he do to get in trouble?
He didn't have his lights on during the day?
Neither did any of the cops.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 1:29 pm to Capo
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Capo
Here's an absolute fact you are going to hate...
Cops have gotten to be terrible in the last few years, and YOUR own children and grandchildren are going to be victims of it sooner or later.
Then you'll change your tune.
It will happen. Just wait.
ETA: also, cops are going after as many middle class and lower whites as they can, so they can point to that whenever they inevitably throw their usual crybaby fits and beat the shite out of a black guy.
This post was edited on 7/23/25 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 7/23/25 at 1:36 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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Here's an absolute fact you are going to hate... Cop have gotten to be terrible in the last few years, and YOUR own children and grandchildren are going to be victims of it sooner or later. Then you'll change your tune. It will happen. Just wait.
My kids will comply by rolling down the window and providing license and insurance. I also suggest that they say ‘yes sir/ma’am or no sir/ma’am” when applicable.
Too many people have no real parenting and that’s the issue.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 1:39 pm to Capo
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My kids will comply by rolling down the window and providing license and insurance. I also suggest that they say ‘yes sir/ma’am or no sir/ma’am” when applicable.
Too many people have no real parenting and that’s the issue.
of course, because your kids are perfect little angels who would never be in a situation where alcohol or pot was in the back seat maybe, or at a party they are coming from, and of course your perfect little angels are never smartasses to anyone, ever.
This post was edited on 7/23/25 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 7/23/25 at 1:41 pm to TigerGman
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That is NOT how it works numbnutt
simmer down
Posted on 7/23/25 at 1:47 pm to Capo
lol, that doesn’t always work either.
Hell, sometimes you are polite, hand them ID etc, and they beat your arse, arrest you, or steal all of your belongings. Police ARE NOT your friend.
Police need to be reigned in. They have little to no accountability. That is unacceptable for people who can and do take your freedom at a whim.
Hell, sometimes you are polite, hand them ID etc, and they beat your arse, arrest you, or steal all of your belongings. Police ARE NOT your friend.
Police need to be reigned in. They have little to no accountability. That is unacceptable for people who can and do take your freedom at a whim.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 2:12 pm to geauxturbo
also, the same local political hacks and media who want to take people's guns away are the same local political hacks and media who cover for corrupt police
Posted on 7/23/25 at 2:34 pm to TigerGman
What was the reason for the stop?
Posted on 7/23/25 at 2:35 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
Yep, been driving for 30 years. Probably been pulled over an equivalent amount of time in several states -- Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Tennessee, Illinois, New Jersey, Maryland, Pennsylvania, etc. Had a gun in my car in those states that allowed it.
PSA -- If you have a gun in your car, put both hands outside the window as they approach the car (hat tip LSP).
I've dealt with a$$holes cops and good ones. The one common denominator is that I complied with their instructions...every...single...time. Not once have I ever been forcibly removed from my car (yes, I've been handcuffed and my car searched).
I have zero sympathy for anyone -- regardless of race, gender, religion, etc -- who doesn't follow simple instructions. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
If you knowingly or unknowingly broke the law, shut up and hand them the required documents. If you have questions, feel free to ask when appropriate.
In closing, don't be an a$$hole driver or person.
PSA -- If you have a gun in your car, put both hands outside the window as they approach the car (hat tip LSP).
I've dealt with a$$holes cops and good ones. The one common denominator is that I complied with their instructions...every...single...time. Not once have I ever been forcibly removed from my car (yes, I've been handcuffed and my car searched).
I have zero sympathy for anyone -- regardless of race, gender, religion, etc -- who doesn't follow simple instructions. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
If you knowingly or unknowingly broke the law, shut up and hand them the required documents. If you have questions, feel free to ask when appropriate.
In closing, don't be an a$$hole driver or person.
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